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Main Discussion > How I added an inexpensive in-flight neddle control to my Heli
 
 
AugustorrAdvertiser - Location: San Diego, CA -
I decided to install a remotely controlled needle valve system in my Fury 91 to have control of the mixture while in flight.

Here's the result:

Materials:

1) O.S. Inflight Control Needle Stock# 71705000

OR

DU-BRO #673 Standard Servo Arms
The original needle valve
one 2.5 mm Hex head screw

2) Hitec HS-81 Servo and two 3mm mounting screws & nuts with a small piece of plastic or G10 for back suport for the lower servo mounting screw.

3) Raptor ball links and pushrod

Click here for a video of the system working

Here are the pictures:







Alternatively instead of using the OS-MAX part you can make your own as follows. I used this in my other Furys.






Here's how to assign AUX2 to the "LD" knob. Use the FNC function.






Augusto.
04-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
av8er
Senior Heliman
Location: NH, USA

nice camera and mod, fits nice. I hope it works well, report on actual flight, never tried it. I have no idea, but since the governer (if u r using one) is the only one who know what ur throttle is at, maybe u should use the mixture curve in there. Just an idea....more research...
04-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ed vega
Key Veteran
Location: nyc, queens

yes , nice setup - i've been doing it for years .. but used a microservo instead.

heres my previous replys on it too.
http://runryder.com/showtopic.htm?s...highlight=slave
http://runryder.com/showtopic.htm?s=&topicid=9126


cool.
04-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Manuelbar
Senior Heliman
Location: Madrid, Spain

To ColeopTer

ColeopTer:

I like how you did it, speacially, the way and the time you took to post the pics and video. Just hope everyone would have such a nice ineterest in sharing!!!!

Manuel
04-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Doug
Elite Veteran
Location: Naples Florida....

Nice job nice pictures and nice Video.
04-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
heliraptor
Key Veteran
Location: Colchester, Essex, UK

Use with a 3810

Hi

Anyone know how I can utilise one of the knobs on the 3810 (or 8310 in the US) to do the same job. Great job Coleopter.

I too will use a micro servo on the sceadu 50, just after anyone who has a good knowledge of channel configuration to make it all work with the radio.

Cheers

Lee
04-24-2002 Over year old.
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3DJoel
Senior Heliman
Location:

in flight mixture control

i got 3 questions:
1.what do you do if you want to adjust the needles BY HAND anyway ? or you have to do it through the Tx?
2.is a Hitec HS-81 micro a good choice to work in a heli enviroment , i.e. vibration and stuff... ?
3.where do you get that cool Alu. servo arm for a micro servo ?
a great idea either way ! let us know how it flys...
3DJoel.
04-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
sharam
Elite Veteran
Location: Northern California

Nice job. Thanks for the post.
04-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Vance
Veteran
Location: York ,PA

One way to do it with the 8103(3810) is to use the pitch trim knob on the front of the transmitter next to the dual rate switch there.

I would suggest that you copy your present model to another slot and "tweak" on that one, that way if you get it all messed up and forget what you need to go back to, all you have to do is reset the copied model and you haven't messed up your original. After you get it all working the way you want it you can then go back and change your original model knowing that it will work and you can "reset" the copied model.
1. hold the up&down(mode) buttons down as you turn the transmitter on it is the same screen where you change models.

2. scroll to and select the "input select" choice

3.change the screen till you get Aux2 as the channel that is controlled by the pitch trim .

This will allow you to use the pitch trim knob to control the servo attached to Aux2. You can adjust the ATV's of Aux2 to get the throws you want. Obviosly you need a reciever with Aux2 available, a 6 channel reciever won't cut it. Instead of using loctite on the 2.5mm screw holding the dubro arm onto the needle I use a pair of nord lock washers. This allows me to loosen the 2.5mm screw and recenter the servo if I find that I have to make a large adjustment as is sometimes needed when the seasons change here in the northeast. I have them installed in a R-60 and R-50 and since I mounted the tail servo on the boom on both heli's I use the stock tail rotor servo location and a futaba 148 servo. No more walking out to the flight line and stopping the rotorhead with your hand and then adjusting. I just fly straight & level and reach up and give her a few clicks in the direction that I want. Note that it is best to use your servo reversing on Aux2 to get your pitch trim knob to operate in the same manner as your needle valve, that is , a clockwise turn of the pitch trim knob will lean the mixture and a counterclockwise turn of the pitch trim knob will richen the mixture, otherwise you can get confused in the air and adjjust it the wrong way(not good).
Vince D
04-24-2002 Over year old.
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heliraptor
Key Veteran
Location: Colchester, Essex, UK

Thanks

Hi Vance

Thanks very much for your help.

I'll get on it right now.

Lee
04-24-2002 Over year old.
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Augusto
rrAdvertiser
Location: San Diego, CA

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3DJoel posted:

i got 3 questions:
1.what do you do if you want to adjust the needles BY HAND anyway ? or you have to do it through the Tx?
2.is a Hitec HS-81 micro a good choice to work in a heli enviroment , i.e. vibration and stuff... ?
3.where do you get that cool Alu. servo arm for a micro servo ?



Joel,

You are right I forgot to post the explanation to those questions.

1) In the picture you can see that if you use the OS needle you can then use the hex screw to move the neddle because it uses some sort of slipper washer. In other words, the needle will slip from the arm under torque from the hex screw so you can adjust it.

The way you use it is by adjusting the knob while in flight then when you land you hold the needle in the position bring the servo arm back to the center. That way you keep the new needle setting and start the servo in the middle so you have range for leaning or richen it nex flight.

The one I made myself uses the same principle. You need to adjust the pressure of the 2.5 mm screw only to a point where you can still adjust it manually. That's why you need the Loctite so even though the screw is not fully tightened it won't fall off the thread. Just make sure you clean the excess loctite so there's loctite only in the thread and not in the contact between the servo arm and the needle valve.

2) Yes HS-81 is a good choice and it has pretty good torque. Just as a regular servo and weighs only .46 oz.

3) I got it from RC-Direct. They have them made for them by some machining shop. The quality is superb and they have them for JR, Futaba and Hitec.

Augusto.

Avant Aurora Ultimate
04-24-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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