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CAD - Engineering - Technical > How strong is G-10? Delrin?
 
 
polyhedron
Senior Heliman
Location: Amite, Louisiana, USA

Can anybody tell me the comparison to CF or LEXAN?

Also, can someone tell me where I can buy small quantities of products like Dupont-Delrin?

Looking for something that is laserable.


--Matt
02-23-2004 Over year old.
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JCadwell
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Location: Richland WA/ Morro Bay, CA

What are you trying to make? Sideframes? Can you do aluminum? What properties do you want?

Go to www.matweb.com and search for G10 FR4. Go to the bottom.

Thanks, John Cadwell
02-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
CK_
Senior Heliman
Location: Redondo Beach, CA

G-10 is almost as strong as CF but it's much more flexible.

Delrin properties are here You can get just about any material at McMaster Carr .

Chris
02-23-2004 Over year old.
 
 
polyhedron
Senior Heliman
Location: Amite, Louisiana, USA

Oh,

Sorry about that, I'm just wanting to make camera mounts for helis.


--Matt
02-23-2004 Over year old.
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JCadwell
Key Veteran
Location: Richland WA/ Morro Bay, CA

G10 would work fine. You can get it in thicknesses of .06ish, .09ish, and .125 easily. I've cut sideframes out of .06 with no problems.

Thanks, John Cadwell
02-24-2004 Over year old.
 
 
polyhedron
Senior Heliman
Location: Amite, Louisiana, USA

What watt of laser did you use to cut the G10/FR4?

Thanks


--Matt
02-24-2004 Over year old.
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JCadwell
Key Veteran
Location: Richland WA/ Morro Bay, CA

Oops. I meant as a structural member, not for laser. I use a small CNC mill to do my cutting. I can't advise on cutting it with laser, but I'm not sure I'd want to try it. It has the same resins and similar materials to carbon fibers. Can you use a CNC routing table?

Thanks, John Cadwell
02-24-2004 Over year old.
 
 
polyhedron
Senior Heliman
Location: Amite, Louisiana, USA

What type of cnc mill do you use? I've seen those shop-bot type CNC routers before that will do small items.


--Matt
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JCadwell
Key Veteran
Location: Richland WA/ Morro Bay, CA

I've got one from www.taigtools.com

It works really well. I haven't had any problems with it. The only thing I don't like is its collet setup. It limits tool size to less than 3/8", which means mostly mini tooling. With creative adapters you can get up to 1/2" though. This isn't usually a problem as the mill capacity isn't huge, and using a 1/2" end mill in this would be way overkill, but sometimes I want to use larger tooling like a centerfinder that is 3/8". I had to search around and find the common machine tool setup equipment in 1/4". www.littlemachineshop.com is an excellent resource.

If I were to do it over again I wouldn't buy their full CNC setup. It cost me about 2100$. I would buy their CNC-Ready mill for about $1000, and buy my own steppers and drivers. Taig's driver unit is proprietary, so it limits what software can control it. It doesn't use the typical Step-Direction control.

I'd buy whatever NEMA-23 bipolar stepper motors suited my needs, and then drivers from www.geckodrive.com.

If you are just learning, and especially with this particular mill, I'd probably stick with steppers over servos. Servos won't get you much more performance, and are more forgiving if you crash. They also are easier to set up. Using steppers is like having a built in fuse. You can stall them without hurting them. Using servos is like using a loaded gun. You better be sure your info and system is working right, or you might get hurt, or hurt something.

Thanks, John Cadwell
02-24-2004 Over year old.
 
 
polyhedron
Senior Heliman
Location: Amite, Louisiana, USA

Thanks,

I would probably go with a CNC router though. Because wood is my expertise. I work for a woodworking machinery company, we just don't sell anything like that

www.extremausa.com

We sell industrial solid panel processing equipment

I have the laser cutter that has 24" x 20" cutting surface, with a 45 W CO2 laser, but can't figure out what I can cut with it. I'm buying a high tensil sample package from mcmaster to see what I can cut. We usually cut wood and etch anodized aluminum with it now. I also ordered some G-10/FS4 to try that also.


--Matt
02-24-2004 Over year old.
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JCadwell
Key Veteran
Location: Richland WA/ Morro Bay, CA

I'd like to have a router as well There is plenty of info at www.cnczone.com, and it is actually hosted by a runryder member (Furyflyer2). His name is paul, and he's very helpful and knowledgable.

A router would be great for laminated boards and stuff like that. I have a hard time cutting thin Carbon Fiber fast enough (feed rate) to keep from fraying it. The only issue with most of the inexpensive routers is some don't hold tolerances as well as a mill. Not that it is a problem with wood, or even cutting sideframes, but I've been machining aluminum lately, and you can definately feel a couple thousandths slop.

Thanks, John Cadwell
02-24-2004 Over year old.
 
 
cforcht
Key Veteran
Location: Chelsea in BFE Iowa

JCadwell

i had the same problem on my cnc mill when trying ot cut balsa ribs for planks. but i found a way to get around it. i bought a high speed mini pencil die grinder from MSC industrial supply. and made a holder to hold it in my machine in place of the regular tooling. gave it a spindle stop command turned on the air and let the machine go. it makes the nicest cuts in balsa, pine, and g10 you ever saw. it runs at 69000 rpm on 90 psi air. and cost 70 bucks. the only drwaback is it only has a .125 collet so i use a .125 4 flute carbide endmill. i can also get smaller endmills in the .125 shank but .125 usually does everything i need. havent tried CF yet
05-05-2004 Over year old.
 
 
CK_
Senior Heliman
Location: Redondo Beach, CA

cforcht,

That die grinder is a great idea. That will save wear on the spindle bearings at high rpm. Do you have any problems with tool chatter with the 4 flute? Usually I have to use a 2 flute to keep from chattering when routing.

Chris
05-05-2004 Over year old.
 
 
cforcht
Key Veteran
Location: Chelsea in BFE Iowa

no i have no problems at all with chatter the only problem i did have was holding the material. then i made a vacuum table and that problem is history. cant believe something so simple can work so good. in fact it didnt cost me a dime since i made it out of stuff i had laying around.
05-05-2004 Over year old.
 
 
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