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e-Miniature Aircraft Furion - Razor - Ion-X > $$1,300 for an ION !!!!
 
 
Andi G
Veteran
Location: Switzerland

Hi,

wow I should do a calculation with 35$ per gallon (local 15% price). It might save money to get a Joker/Ion in the long run
20 gallons for the price of 2 320$ packs.

A Nova tank is around 5$ here, go figure. 100 flights per pack and the price is the same as with 15% nitro.

Andi
02-15-2004 Over year old.
 
 
z11355
rrMaster
Location: 10000 is enough time wasted.

I remain unconvinced that you can really make
an economic argument for these things.

If you want to fly electric, you can and you can
make a reasonable argument but it starts by
wanting to fly electric in the first place, not
because the economics are so vastly better
by running electrics.

1. realistically, you need 4+ packs, not 2. You're
going to feel like an idiot w/ your $1300
paperweight while your waiting for the batteries
to recharge.

2. you may well need 2 kickass chargers in order
to get reasonable recharge time so you can
fly instead of waiting around.

3. think about how you've crashed in the past.
what precludes damaging the cells and or the
solder joints? How will you know? Want to
risk a fire because the cells short out?

4. carry a fire extinguisher

5. could you mangle the motor, winding or output
shaft in a good crash? Certainly the output shaft
of the Hacker is more delicate than a YS/OS
crankshaft. Look at the location of the ESC and
motor? Ever have a pancake crash? Kiss 'em
goodbye.
02-15-2004 Over year old.
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Andi G
Veteran
Location: Switzerland

Hi,

agreed on the Fury, I would have preferred a LRK or Actro motor and not a Hacker, the gearing adds weight and the position is bad... expensive if you come down.
The Joker holds up very well even in the hardest crashes. It costs more but is a proven design.
Yes the double chargers seem to be an argument, but charging at the field isn't interesting for me. No power supply, and if I have to carry a generator I can just as well take a nitro heli with me! So it's really the price of 3 Packs for 3 10-15min flights.
In theory you could charge all you packs in parallel over night, the problem starts if they don't have the same voltage when hooking them together to charge.

Andi
02-15-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Andi G
Veteran
Location: Switzerland

btw, in a German board I saw a circuit that switches from one battery to the next with a small delay. The charger will automatically start again after changing, so no need to get up a 3am and changing battery packs
02-15-2004 Over year old.
 
 
KC
Elite Veteran
Location: WA

I am convinced you can make an economic argument for these toys once you develop preferences, habits and have patterns.

I figure airframe cost x2, fuel costs for how much flying I want to do (more than I really get to) and that is my budget, has always worked for me every year.

if one is to compare a 90 size electric to a 90 size glow, one has to distinguish what has the performance they want.

electrics screw this up because the operating cost cannot be figured out for the long run, you could just take battery cost x2 and probably be in the ball park, but now its more than whatever your glow figure comes out to.

you're not buying a calling card, a battery is like fuel, film, food..... it has a shelf life and has needs to attend to, you can't escape maintenance.

more flying makes better flying, right? remember you only need one tank of fuel to fly a 90.....

the batteries (considering two 'packs' as one set, semantics aside) are a 640.00 part that the machine cannot fly without.

most people will need 1280.00 of batteries and two astro 109s at another 250.00......1500.00+ to match their habits with glow helis.

there is no such thing as buying all the "fuel" upfront (this is very important to grasp for anyone out there who thinks otherwise), you are not going to get 500 flights for 640.00, trust me I have many times more flights than any battery will ever achieve in a lab, it just doesnt happen in the real world.

In theory it is a "deal" in the EU and AU, but people crash there too.


I would definitely buy this technology for an f3c ship, where it has major advantages over glow in presentation.

I can see why they made it on an extreme chassis, it has to be priced competively (upfront costs) with the popular 90s out there (it is a good deal as far as large electrics go), but I would rather have an FAI airframe for my large electric.

buy what you want, but consider what you want to do with a heli, the price of these things is very easy to figure out once you establish patterns for yourself and know what you want to do.
02-15-2004 Over year old.
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Andi G
Veteran
Location: Switzerland

Another problem is the risk of a burning Lipo battery... you need to be careful or you risk to burn down your shop/house...

In the end it's a great thing that electrics are making progresses like this, and if the price sinks to 300$ a pack it's not more than a cracked muffler/engine case...

Andi
02-15-2004 Over year old.
 
 
KC
Elite Veteran
Location: WA

DavidH, when is the last time a world champion f3c pilot enter a fury extreme (even it does use the tempest CCPM configuration)?

I have doubts about CCPM or the 848 head placing high against an eagle 3, but thats another thread, I apologize for hijacking this one.

Misskimo, I'm not bashing big electrics or the IONx if my comments come across that way.....I'm "looking at it differently"

I remember the thrill of starting out, I don't want it ever again

Mr. Osella might remember that first thrill in the family driveway, the garage door company had us on speed dial with that basketball hoop alone before I got into helis ( I was too young to drive out to a field)

its funny because the fifteen year old kid behind my place just got an r/c heli and I know what you are talking about, its deja vu

I'm looking at this bird with my wallet and looking at my extreme and not seeing the mystique yet
02-16-2004 Over year old.
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G.Man
rrProfessor
Location: Northants, but soon to be Nicosia, Cyprus

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Over here the importer wants £1249.99 for the kit, motor and speed control


Yikes thats like an 85% markup on the US price...

Surely Shipping, Tax and Profit has no need to be that high?

Thats gonna be £700 + shipping and tax for a "personal import"

And lets not forget the £700 already includes the US shop profit...



Don't Email me as I wont reply - PM Only (spam countermeasures)
02-16-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Minor Problem
Senior Heliman
Location: Isle of Wight, UK

Galifrey,

Careful, HE will hear you.......

MP

James Bond doesn't have to put up with this sort of sh*t...
02-16-2004 Over year old.
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z11355
rrMaster
Location: 10000 is enough time wasted.

yea, but who won?

(gratuitous Hirobo rally cry!)
(all in good fun!!!!!!!)
02-16-2004 Over year old.
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Temjin
Senior Heliman
Location: Walnut CA, HsinChu Taiwan

You can't compare a Kit based on who won what competition unless the two pilot has the exact same skill.
02-16-2004 Over year old.
 
 
G.Man
rrProfessor
Location: Northants, but soon to be Nicosia, Cyprus

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Galifrey, Careful, HE will hear you.......


Ah well he will probably insult me again calling me a keyboard flyer...

oh no what a personal disaster



Don't Email me as I wont reply - PM Only (spam countermeasures)
02-16-2004 Over year old.
 
 
KC
Elite Veteran
Location: WA

its been a long time for MA now....
02-16-2004 Over year old.
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East Coast Tanics
Senior Heliman
Location: SOUTH DAYTONA FLORIDA

nicely put TONY

i think iam in!!! only thing is i want one wiht no electrics!!!
robert
02-16-2004 Over year old.
 
 
chriss
Senior Heliman
Location: Sunny Florida

"only thing is i want one wiht no electrics!!!"

...just ask
02-18-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Christian
Senior Heliman
Location: Boston, MA

><((((º>
02-18-2004 Over year old.
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errece
Heliman
Location: Caracas, Venezuela

The only thing that would keep me away from buying an electric heli like this one is that I don't think that you'll get the same amount of power you get from a .91 out of a Hacker motor, you may notice from the JK video that he flies it like in slow motion not like the extreme where he pushes the heli to it's limits.
The prices are close so i would go with the glow engine without any doubts. I'll get a bigger muffler so the smokes goes far away from the heli to have it as clean as possible.

Just my opinion...

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02-19-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Crasher
Senior Heliman
Location: Gone on that

Opinions..everyone has one.


Heres a video of the new Thunder Power packs and the Ion.


http://www.tryrc.com/video/2004%20MWE%20JK-Ion-1st.wmv


They're said to hold the voltage VERY well right until the end, then dump. This is lipolys second year on the RC block, give it 2-3 more and you gas flyers will all have one!


Kinda reminds me when the 2003 Mustang Cobra came out everyone dogged it because it "needed" a supercharger to beat the GM LS1 motors. Well Now people are doing minor mods and the motors are pumping out 600+HP on stock internals(unheard of for factory motors) it seems most of the GM guys have sold the F-bodys in favor of the Cobra...weird?
02-19-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Rivet
Heliman
Location: UK

Batteries for the Ion have been well upmarked in the uk! Why make a profit when you can make a fortune! As for the kit ION appears a lot cheaper over in the US. Why? Are we suckers over here?

Holding things together!
04-19-2004 Over year old.
 
 
DOKEY
rrProfessor
Location: Northampton UK

Simple answer. . . . . . YES WE ARE !!!!

But we are starting to see an improvement i.e. Skylines !

Xcell here is not a match on price compared to the US and I dont think it ever will be.

Check the gallery!
04-19-2004 Over year old.
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