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Beginners Corner > Futaba vs. JR
 
 
Pappy
Heliman
Location: Brea, Calif

Sense I'm new to this hobbie would some help me decide which radio to purchase and which is more reliable.
This will be my first Radio and just want to make the right choice.

Futaba 9ch or Jr XP8103DT pcm

Thanks for any help

04-15-2002 Over year old.
 
 
beedub
Senior Heliman
Location: Arlington, Tx

Both are excellent choices. I fly JR and like their radios. What you might want to do is see what other people are flying in your area. This way they can help you if you get stuck. If both radio's are used, hold both of them and see which one is more comfortable. Either one you choose will get the job done!
04-15-2002 Over year old.
 
 
The_Dave
Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

Good Call

Excellent Advice Beedub.

Mark McAlpine - 2005 - We will never forget.
04-15-2002 Over year old.
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ed vega
Key Veteran
Location: nyc, queens

you'd think theres competition, but actually they are one in the same .. both from japan and others as well . there really is no vs between jr and futaba or any other like airtronics etc .. it's about pilot preference and minute differences in it's setup and usage with curves .
04-15-2002 Over year old.
 
 
JCadwell
Key Veteran
Location: Richland WA/ Morro Bay, CA

The hitec Eclipse is also an option. Note that on the Eclipse, you can only edit flight modes that you are currently in. If you want to edit your idle up curves, the TX must be in idle up. This means you can't easily or safely change your curves with the heli running for the idle up settings. The futaba 8U lets you modify almost everything regardless of switch settings. I like the futaba TX, and use it. I use hitec servos. Whatever you do, make sure you buy at least a 7-8 channel heli radio. Buy a cheaper heli if you need, but spend the money up front for a good radio with 5 point curves.

Thanks, John Cadwell
04-15-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Pappy
Heliman
Location: Brea, Calif

Thanks Guys for your Help.
Please excuse my ignorance. I am the newbie of all newbies and I just don't want to buy something that isn't going to do the job.
If you read my first post (last friday) I mentioned I already have my fist ship (Sceadu 50 and still in box) and just want to make sure I buy the right suff to accomodate it.

I don't know what any of the Radio terms mean (curves, tx, etc..etc..).
Is there a site where I can get this information in Novice Terms.
04-15-2002 Over year old.
 
 
aashu
Veteran
Location: Garden State , NJ

Out of topic

This is really out topic somthing else than asked for . But if you consider cheaper options Airtronics RD6000 is another one you may wanna look and does not have the problem as stated above with eclipse , plus gives 5 point pitch and ythrottles CCPM , polarity shift (can use different receivers ..) and many other things. If you are just starting in Helis then I may suggest Airtronics RD6000 IS THE BEST in its class . If money is not an issue at all and you need more than 6 channels , Futaba / JR is the way to go .

Proudly Flying in NJ, USA
04-15-2002 Over year old.
 
 
JCadwell
Key Veteran
Location: Richland WA/ Morro Bay, CA

That's what we are all here for.

TX- Transmitter
RX- Reciever

I would reccomend buying "Ray's Authoritative Helicopter Manual". Any of the major retailers should have it.

www.heliproz.com
www.ronlund.com

The Sceadu 50 is a great ship. I've got one, and really like it.

Follow the links on this page...

http://www.rchelicopters.org/beginners.mcic

As for curves, here is a brief summary...

Each flight mode (there are usually three or four in nicer radios (Normal, Idle Up1, Idle Up 2, throttle hold)) allows the user to program the respective values of the pitch and the throttle of the helicopter at a variety of transmitter stick positions... The number points available to adjust the ratio of pitch to throttle defines the number of points available from a radio. A radio with three point curves would allow you to adjust the throttle and pitch independantly at the bottom stick position (call this 0%) the middle stick position (50%) and the top stick position (100%). A radio with 5 point curves would let you adjust that ratio at 1/4 stick (25%) and 3/4 stick (75%) as well. The more points you have available, the better you can tailor the relationship between throttle and pitch. The ultimate goal is to maintain a constant headspeed (rotor RPM) throughout a flight, and throughout maneuvers. The more flexibility and resolution you have available to manipulate the relationship between throttle and pitch, the easier this is to do.

For example... A helicopter is started at idle. In order to start it at idle, you need to push the transmitter stick position all the way down in normal mode. At a stick position of 0%, you would then have a throttle setting of almost 0%. The pitch percentages correspond to degrees of pitch, so if 50% was equal to 0 degrees of pitch, you might have 50% pitch at 0% stick if you were learning. You would not want to feed in pitch until perhaps half stick. So the first three pitch points would be the same (assuming a 5 point curve.) You would then develop a relationship between pitch and throttle at each point available to determine that relationship. 1/4 stick might have 25% throttle, and 50% pitch, 1/2 stick would have 50% throttle and pitch, 3/4 stick would have 75% throttle and perhaps 75% pitch, and full stick would have 100% throttle, and 100% pitch. If you only had three point curves, you would only be able to input 0 stick with 0% throttle, 50% pitch, 1/2 stick, with 50% throttle, 50% pitch, and full stick with 100% throttle, and 100% pitch... Does this make any sense at all?

Thanks, John Cadwell
04-15-2002 Over year old.
 
 
beedub
Senior Heliman
Location: Arlington, Tx

Pappy,

Either of these 2 radios will be plenty of radio for you. There will really be no need for you to upgrade after buying one of them. I flew the 8 channels for 3 years before moving up. And I didn't need to move up, I just wanted to. Either radio would compliment your Sceadu. Personally I would not fly the Sceadu .50 with either of the servo's that come with the radio. You could use one of the "stock" servo's as a throttle servo but I would upgrade the ones for the cyclic and collective. This is my personal opinion. If you go with the Futaba I would use 9202's on the "big 3". With JR you could do a flex and put 8101's in it. If you go this route you would have servo's for a .60 size later down the road.

Hope this helps,
04-15-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Pappy
Heliman
Location: Brea, Calif

Thanks for the info. Hope I can be of some help to you guys in the future.
I've got approx 20 hours on G2 sim and getting better at hovering.
I figure another 50 I'll be ready (maybe!!) for stage One!!
04-15-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Hobbytime
Heliman
Location: East Texas

JR / FUTABA

They are both good

Pick'em up hold'em "Feel The Difference"

It is most helpful to use what most the majority use at you flying field!

Either one will last you a long time
04-15-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Skywalker
Heliman
Location: West Kentucky

Flex-Quip

One more thing to think about.

JR has this thing called "Flex-Quip." Jr lets you "trade-in" the basic servos that are listed with the radio system for a credit toward upgraded servos. This can be a substantial savings.

With Futaba, you get the sport servos that come packaged in the radio set. If you want better servos, you must buy them additionally.

Both radios are VERY high quality. Some folks gripe that JR is more expensive, but if you need upgraded servos say for a .50 or .60 sized machine, JR can be CHEAPER than a comparable Futaba set.

Something to think about.
Michael
04-15-2002 Over year old.
 
 
oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

Futaba 9C or JR8103

Though both radios will get the job done, I would go the Futaba 9C available with the 9001 bual ball bearing coreless servos. (about $580.00) compared to the 8103 with the 513's that aren't even coreless (around $650.00).

The 9001's are servos that will take you well into the 60 arena and that are very dependable.

The software in the 9C is far more powerful then the 1990 software of the 8103. To someone who has been using the 8103 regularly, it may seem initially easier to program as we are all used to it. But if one is learning from scratch. both will be equally easy to get ones brain around.

So that being the case, one might as well learn the new "windows"

One of the biggest advantages of the 9C is the fact that you can assign any function in any mode to any switch. So it is a no brainer to program the more complex issues. e.g. having flight modes that use the rate gyro mode with revo mixing and others with HH gyro and no mixing.
This also makes programing such periferal equipment such as the governors (GV-1) a lot easier. It would also mean it will be a lot easier to program any other new periferal items that may come out in the future (e.g. the new Co-Pilot from FMA).

This was the biggest plus I found when I went from the top lineJR PCM-10SXII at the time to the Futaba 9ZHWC.

One was like operating a 466PIII in Windows 95 and the other like a 1.6PIV with windows NT. Both will work the net for you, but one will do it all much better then the other and will be more user friendly to newer programs that will be launched in the future.

Fortunately, in this case, the 1.6PIV/Windows NT unit is available for a lot less money then the 466PIII/Windows 95 unit.

But I do think the face plate on the 9C is a bit "over the top".
04-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
beedub
Senior Heliman
Location: Arlington, Tx

From a lot of the post I've been reading on the 9c, it sounds like it is not the NT version of windows but ME. Alot can be said for old and reliable.

And I wouldn't trust the 9001's in a .60 that I own, execpt for throttle.BTW- A PCM 8103 comes with 531's. Which is about the same specs as a 9001. The 531 is 51 oz. @ .23 and the 9001 is 54.2 @ .22. No big difference there. You also get 5 servo's instead of 4. This is not a big since most people will drop the 5th servo for a better tail servo. If this is the case JR has the Flex program which will allow you to drop it.

As far as programing. I've been flying with Futaba since '86. I did not even own a JR until '99. I'll have to disagree with you on this one, the JR is much easier to program.

Anyway, they are both good radios.
04-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Pappy
Heliman
Location: Brea, Calif

Well, I made my decision this last Monday and bought the XP8103DT pcm for $614 along with the gy401/9253 combo.

So as of today I now own a Sceadu 50 w/OS Max 50 engine, radio, gyro. (all still in boxes)
Still Practicing on Sim.
Next will be the dtds system w/3rd bearing block and will swap out the collective servo (531) w/jr8101 or jr841.

Boy!! what a exspensive hobbie!!!

Thanks for your suggestions.
04-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
beedub
Senior Heliman
Location: Arlington, Tx

You did good. I think you could not have made a "bad" decision with the list you had to choose from.

BTW- 8101 will be plenty for collective.

Have fun and be safe!
04-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Hobbytime
Heliman
Location: East Texas

GOOD CHOICE!

You Won't Be Sorry!

As far as the amount of money goes at least you did buy a transmitter that will last you a long time. (good investment!)

Remember: Were here if you need us!

04-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Pappy
Heliman
Location: Brea, Calif

Thanks

04-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Hughes500Pilot
Key Veteran
Location: Anaheim, CA

Pappy, Give Me A Call

Give me a call when you are ready to fly... Since I live only a few miles from you, maybe we can go out flying togeter. Email me directly for my phone number. -Steve

Click "Gallery" below for photos of my new Thunder Tiger Imperio
04-18-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Dave_D
Key Veteran
Location: Philippines

Great job guys.
04-18-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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