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The_Dave
Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

No Problem

Todd,

No problem....it was late and I just finished sanding a fuse and found a bazillion pin holes...guess I was a little grumpy! LOL

Mark McAlpine - 2005 - We will never forget.

04-15-2002 Over year old.

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Slider
Senior Heliman
Location: Orange City, FL

Beautiful stuff Kyosho.

[edited]

-Mark

04-15-2002 Over year old.

GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

scale 3D, an oxymoron

jfair,
I used to fly the old GMP flybarless head and it would do forward tumbles on it's own with no control inputs from me. Scared the bejeezus out of me the first time it happened.
I have also looped, rolled, and tumbled a 4 blade Scalehouse head (attached to an X-Cell SE). I do that recommend that either but it CAN be done. The sound is incredible.

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.

04-15-2002 Over year old.

The_Dave
Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

Slider...you stink!

How is that Mark? Flaunting? Again, how is that? Just because I have a machine that is worth the same as 3 pod and boomers does not mean I am flaunting. I SAVED a long time and gave up many other things to afford it.

I simply made the statement to illistrate that "scale guys" must have a degree of skill and ability to fly a major investment in time as well as money.

If your underwear is riding up, perhaps you should be on a different URL...

Step off.

Mark McAlpine - 2005 - We will never forget.

04-15-2002 Over year old.

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Slider
Senior Heliman
Location: Orange City, FL

ROFL

Just seems like you have something against the P&B guys. Heck, I thought that heli pilots in general were a cut above the rest.

[Edited]

-Mark

04-15-2002 Over year old.

The_Dave
Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

Humor

First of all, I know all of those guys personally and would never look down on them. They are great guys. Where do you get off saying stuff like that? I have nothing but respect for any heli pilot, it is not easy to fly them. Seems you are the one looking down on people.

Second you are obviously a very troubled person, it is not my fault so take you bad attitude elsewhere.

Third, you are correct on my misspelling of Flaunt. I have severely punished myself as required.

And finally....GO AWAY

Mark McAlpine - 2005 - We will never forget.

04-15-2002 Over year old.

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Slider
Senior Heliman
Location: Orange City, FL

Too Much Fun

[EDITED]

-Mark

04-15-2002 Over year old.

The_Dave
Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

Yeah, you're right

Yep, you are right. I was trying to maintain a low profile but you blew my cover.

Not only am I better than you but I am WAY better than you.

Feel better?

Sheesh!

Mark McAlpine - 2005 - We will never forget.

04-15-2002 Over year old.

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Copter Doctor
Elite Veteran
Location: daleville/ft.rucker, al

pod "n"boom vs scale

hi all!!!
okay , i have to defend the scale guys because that is what i am. it takes a special kind of love for a helicopter to scale. sure it can be the biggest pain in the rear trying for hours to make something look or work right, lord knows half my cusswords were invented while building a scale heli. i have fourteen scale machines (damn thats a lot of cussing) but i still have to have the one pod and boom machine to do my 3d with. i mostly fly scale but i like to show that you can do both. i believe flying scale is kinda like flying pattern. you dont appreciate the difficulty until you try it. i think both styles of flying helps each other out a bit. a scale flyer makes for a smooth 3d pilot and a 3d pilot can fly the scale bird in any pattern required to make it look scale.
in defense of the 3d guys i have to say that in flying scale, having a good looking machine will make your flying look great even though you may not be doing much. to be impressive at 3d, you gotta be turning and burning pretty good. what looked hot at today's fly-in is gonna be what everyone has already mastered at next weeks fly-in. it is a challenge just keeping up with the latest 3d stunts.
while i am not the greatest scaler you"ll ever see, i have had the pleasure of being complimented by some of the top 3d pilots. gary wright has told me several times that he wished he had the patience i did for scale. cool huh!
for you scalers, keep it lookin good and for you 3ders, keep it turnin, burnin, spinning, flippin and much much more...........

drive a rotary, fly a rotorcraft

04-16-2002 Over year old.

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Jet_Waynger
Senior Heliman
Location: Henderson, NV

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Beautiful stuff Kyosho, but The_Dave has already pissed me off by flaunting his money at all of us. Guess we aren't good enough to be on the same URL as him.

AND

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First of all, it is "Flaunt."... you asked... twice Just seems like you have something against the P&B guys. Guess that means that CY, Cole, Todd B., Cliff, and the rest of the greatest pilots in the world aren't good enough for you. Must be some kind of "class" to be able to be able to look down on those guys. Heck, I thought that heli pilots in general were a cut above the rest... boy, did I think wrong. Next time you have that kind of money burning a hole in your pocket, you might want to think about getting a sense of humor. But I'm not sure if they sell them at the LHS.

Wow Slider, you're just boiling over with ignorance!
You should really know what you are talking about before you get started. I don't know you, I have only your dimwiited postings here to judge you by. If you were trying to get a point across, you failed! (miserably)
Your postings make you sound of a jealous, bitter ogre that has nothing better to do than to mouth off to somebody without a clue as to what you are saying. (people call this ignorance)
You are also very tacky for your actions that you have taken off of Run Ryder as well. (you know what I am talking about)
Next time think before you post!

04-16-2002 Over year old.

Dr.Tim
Key Veteran
Location: Mojave Desert

Money to Burn!!

If I only had the same $ Tree as The_Dave I would be a Happy Camper!! Jusk Kidding

I have been flying comp. Plankers for over 30 years and only have been in heli's for a couple of months now and I Do Not understand why some people will burst out about Scale Heli's being easy to fly . I personally Love this stuff, Find it a Challenge and the People in this community such as Mr. Bottita have gone way out of thier way to help!! Even as far as setting up a heli for me when he had no idea who I was!! Thanks Again Dave!! I have been to many compititions now and find these folks all over --now for the guys flying 3D I find a bit more touchy and unwilling !! I guess the EDUCATED lean toward the more challenging side of the sport! Anyone can learn 3D and become pretty good at it but, Try to fly a 20 lb. heli slow and low that you have put your Heart and soul into!! Now That's Flying!!

Heres a couple of shots of my gassers!!
Dr.Tim

From Simple minds come simple ideas! Starwood Models, Approach Engineering

04-16-2002 Over year old.

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ed vega
Key Veteran
Location: nyc, queens

as far as I'm concerned , you really have to study and appreciate full scale to appreciate what scale modelers have to learn . it's not about hard yanking , it's more limited too precision and much smaller controlled inputs which can be just as hard - take a look at FAI..

3d is a great learning curve . scale is a at the end of the precision curve - what better way to relax after a days worth of aerobatics.

04-16-2002 Over year old.

The_Dave
Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada

Thanks Guys!

Dr. Tim, Jet_Waynger,

Thanks for the good words. As both of you as well as many others know I have spent many a day at the field helping others. That is what it is all about.

Thanks again!

Mark McAlpine - 2005 - We will never forget.

04-16-2002 Over year old.

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Ted-s
Senior Heliman
Location: upstate SC

Dr TIM

I have to say that he could not have said it better. Yes I'm new to the sport and like Dr TIM it was a scale guy that i didn't know that setup my heli. As a matter of fact he didn't get to fly but once that day and it didn't seam to bother him. Man where would we be if it wasn't for people like this. Thank you again BIGRCR Ted

04-16-2002 Over year old.

sykochin
Senior Heliman
Location: GoWest

Pod&Boom to Scale = Rock&Roll to Classical
You can hardly notice any mistakes on Rock & Roll, but Not in Classical. A slight mistake is a disaster in Classical.
Now I heard you all. That's what I thought. The Scale guys are classier than those P&B guys.
Flying 3D isn’t hard to learn, just have the guts and practice on the G2.
But scale... hmmmm . If you are not ready, you can not force yourself into this. No matter what.
Compassionate will come when you're ready and this is the hardest thing to learn in our life time.
Happy Building

04-17-2002 Over year old.

TheSRide
Heliman
Location: Tallahassee, Fl.

What a bunch of crap

It doesn't matter what you fly!!!! You fly and thats all there is to it! so get off the crap about class, scale, pod and boom,... a true pilot should appreciate what he has and not how much it cost!!! when it all come down to it,... we all put our pants on the same way... so be happy and respect each other and learn from one another... you all sound like a bunch of Amatures!.

05-08-2002 Over year old.

Dr.Tim
Key Veteran
Location: Mojave Desert

TheSride

I DO NOT PUT MY PANTS ON THE SAME AS YOU !!! I am Paralyzed in the Right leg and have to manuver a Brace through my Pants then pull them over my left leg!! About 5 minutes just to get my pants on!! Dedication is what it is all about and flying SCALE heli's takes the same Precision, Dedication, And Time to perfect!! People that know me think I just walk with a limp!! They have No Idea how hard that simple Walk is but I compare the same to flying Heli's. So Please Be Gentle next time you think we are the Same!! Oh and by the way I hold a Commercail, Airplane Single & Multiengine Land, Instrument Rating with over 7500 hours!! Is that a True Pilot ?
Dr.Tim

From Simple minds come simple ideas! Starwood Models, Approach Engineering

05-08-2002 Over year old.

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sykochin
Senior Heliman
Location: GoWest

TheSRide
Wow... Easy dude....
I bet you must be a Pod and Boom guy.....

05-08-2002 Over year old.

scaleone
Heliman
Location: Lakeland, FL

Wait-it takes MATURITY? I read that a few posts back. I guess I'll have to quit and hang up my thong.
I can fly 3D...ONCE...then the helo is a lot easier to put back in the car and I don't have to be nearly as careful with it.
I've been scaling for about 17 years, been really into it for the whole time. I did scale planks and found a lot of those guys to be way too secretive about it. That doesn't mean they're ALL like that, just the ones I'd met in the local club. I went to scale helos and found people who spoke the same language as I. I looked at 3D and found some guys who could translate what they knew to unplanned scale flight situations and THAT helped, too.
I understood Dave B's point right away. I've talked w/him on the phone a number of times and find him to be completely opposite the way he's being played here. Geez, lighten up-it was a comparison OF HELICOPTERS!!!!.
I've built commercial scalers worth 6 or 7 times what a typical sporter is worth-doesn't make me better, classier, (maybe a little dumber) or anything but different. Dave wasn't saying he's better because the model is worth more, just that compared to a p/b machine, the risk and loss is greater. Yes, when the helo hits the ground and th epieces rain down for twenty minutes it matters not one bit whether it was a podder built in a a week or a scaler built over a year-the feeling is the same. It's the aftermath that makes it different.
Been there, done that, got the hat, shirt, and underoos to prove it.
It would seem that the serious 3D guys are MOSTLY ( not all, but mostly) younger guys, guys like the snowboarders and skateboarders and such-and that makes them maybe a bit louder about what they enjoy-more joyous, more verbal. Scalers, on the other hand, tend to be older (don't shoot me, I'm nearly 50 myself)), more intense in the shop, and while just as verbal about the joys of what they do-not as loudly verbal. Does that make sense? I mean, I can be just as intensely proud of what I've just built as the 3D pilot is of his work, but I'm probably not going to be as vocal about it. I liken scale to chess(more quiet and determined) and 3D to maybe basketball or hockey-lots of hoopin', hollerin', and fun. Both worthwhile pursuits to those who follow them.
Make sense?
jerry

05-08-2002 Over year old.

MRC-Hirobo
Key Veteran
Location: Edison, NJ

A Breath of Fresh Air

After being involved in sport aerobatics and 3D for the past few years, getting more focused in scale in competing in Top Gun really added a new angle to helis for me. The challenge of the four blade head and fan tail was intriguing and from the 3D experience getting the chance to be more of a spectator than a pilot on my own ship was a real blast! The confidence earned in 3D allowed me to really relax with my Dauphin and enjoy it at another level. So much so I got another one for TG2003 and it will be done even better. Am I bit as Jerry says, yes as it is something new.

I like em all and they all give the rewards. Now enough of this better than this guy stuff. Both worlds can have their rotten apples.

Let's fly!!

Jeff G

05-08-2002 Over year old.

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