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e-Mikado Logo 400 500 600 > How hot is hot??
 
 
pxb
Heliman
Location: St. Peters, MO

Hi,

How hot is too hot for motors and ESC's?

I am running a Logo 10 with 12-cell GP3300 pack, 600-18 motor, 40-6-18 ESC, 14 tooth pinion and 500mm blades at 1700 RPM. The motor seems hot after landing, I can't touch it for more than a few seconds (the ESC is barely warm). Is this too hot? I plan on checking the temp with an infrared thermometer -- what temp should I be expecting? Or, more importantly, what temperature is too high? If it is too hot, what could I be doing wrong? I am flying light aerobatics and hovering.

Thanks,
Paul
01-02-2004 Over year old.
 
 
gregw
Senior Heliman
Location: Hong Kong

Besides a heatsink, you could also install a 12V CPU fan pointed towards the motor. I have 2 fans, one for the motor and one for the ESC.



01-03-2004 Over year old.
 
 
pxb
Heliman
Location: St. Peters, MO

Thanks -- Looks like heatsink first, then if that is not cool enough add the fan. I hope to use a friend's infrared thermometer today to check temps. At what temperature do I need to be considering a heat sink or fan???
01-03-2004 Over year old.
 
 
gregw
Senior Heliman
Location: Hong Kong

I believe the magnets on the Hacker will start dying at around 170 degrees.. To be safe, I suggest that you should install a fan if the temperature exceeds 150..
01-03-2004 Over year old.
 
 
pxb
Heliman
Location: St. Peters, MO

Well, just got finished flying two GP3300 packs and checking the motor with a Raytek thermometer - had some very interesting results.

A few weeks ago I flew the helicopter on a 70 deg day and the case barely felt warm. Nothing changed with the setup, it was 47 degrees outside today and now the case is too hot to touch. Got out my friend's Raytek and checked the case temperature -- 78 deg. Checked the shaft temperature 92 deg. Hmmm, whats going on? Thermometer broken??? Checked my armpit, 89 deg. Checked my burning finger with Raytech -- 78 deg. Checked my finger against my lips, felt hot. Checked my finger against my armpit, felt cold. Checked my flying fingers that hadn't touched the motor -- 49 deg.

The problem was not that the motor was hot, but that my fingers were very cold. My nicely running motor felt like it was on fire because my fingers were like ice. I think I'll invest in my own Raytek....

Paul
01-03-2004 Over year old.
 
 
gregw
Senior Heliman
Location: Hong Kong

haha...

I guess checking with the finger on cold days just isn't going to work.

Your motor temp sounds fine the way it is.. I think my solution is overkill anyway, but since I had all the parts, I figure it was something that wouldn't hurt doing.
01-04-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Vinnie
Senior Heliman
Location: Miami Beach, Florida

Feeling hot hot hot

I usually hit 190 degrees on the motor after a full flight. Doesn't seem to bother the motor at all. Speed controller doesn't go above 120.

I'm using a Hacker brushless with JETI ESC.
01-04-2004 Over year old.
 
 
gregw
Senior Heliman
Location: Hong Kong

Woah.. 190 degrees sounds too hot for the Hacker.. I've heard that the magnets will start to demagnetize at that temp and you will gradually loose power and start drawing more amps until the motor eventually dies..
01-05-2004 Over year old.
 
 
gwright
Senior Heliman
Location: Melbourne, Fl

the rotor demags at 180C which is about 300 degrees F, so 190 is not at demag point. I run things there without concern (as long as that's the stable temp they reach and they're not continually getting hotter). the issue with heat really isn't demagging as far as the hackers are concerned,.. you're not near that point at only 180~190 range. The problems comes when you reach about 200 or so,.. as things start to get very innefficient there, and the motor draws lots more current, which gets it hotter, which makes it more innefficient,..etc.etc., so if you reach 200,.. and keep flying, you normally go into thermal runaway and the time to go from 200 to 300 is very short. However, after the 200 point, normally, the current increase gets the ESC well before you demag the rotor,..i.e. 200 and rising, current goes from 25~30 amps and 70 amp surges,.. right up to 60~70 amps with 100 amp surges (yes it's this much of an increase) which pops the ESC before the motor ever reaches demag point. Many people then think they had a fualty controller, when really it's not the controller's fault at all, but motor heating due to setup. Some of the lesser motors will demag before the ESC pops due to the different magnets, so it's more obvious.
01-07-2004 Over year old.
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