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cdrking
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Location: Seattle

Check out this link, pretty cool.



New-generation autonomous helicopter


Jeff

To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
12-22-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Saint728
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Location: Sydney Australia Sponsored by: Quick UK

That's kind of kewl. I wonder how it will know where it is and what it's looking at? Also, I wonder if it will get shot down with another frequency made by somethnig else? I bet it won't be something cheap to buy, that's for sure.

Take Care,
Cheers, Patrick
12-22-2003 Over year old.
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MPA
Elite Veteran
Location: Australia

More pathetic rubbish from nutty professors at Aus tax payers expense.
Let me give you the drill on their dellusions.
This is what they propose for them.


>Low-level surveillance and tracking.

Of what ?

> Powerline inspection.

For who ?
Power companies in Aus, not interested, not even free of charge..

>Pipeline inspection.

Mining unionists cum OH&S inspectors wouldnt have a bar of it and said so.

> Search and rescue.

SES said "keep that damn thing away from us"

> Aerial mapping.

At 400ftAGL, what a waste of air

> Aerial photography.
> Aerial cinematography.

Horse****, cant give away free aerial photos in Aus.
No pro cam insurer will insure a cam on a heli which is why a number of ACMP registered professional photgraphers cant use my Helicam.

$199 will get you aerials anywhere from full size aircraft.
Why bother asking more than $50 for pics off a toy heli and a prosumer camera.
You wont get it in Aus.

>3D site mapping.

For who?
Dr Spock?

>Inspection of bridges and other large structures such as >communications towers.

For who?
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Not in the metro area its against council bylaws.
In rural areas it cheaper to get a bloke to climb poles than send in UAV people to stand around and fly toy helis.


>Inspection of buildings - facades and large internal atria.

Not in the metro area its against council bylaws.


> Security surveillance.

Not in the metro area its against council bylaws.


> Fire-front monitoring.

When the Helicam was offered for use, no fee charged, to CFA, MFB and SES, Vic Police they all said

"keep that damn thing away from us"
"I cant ever see any use for it"
"we are busy fighting fires and dont have time for toys."
"one good heat blast and your heli will be jelly"
"whats your name, address and date of birth mate"

I will say though, out of all the companies, corporations, emergency services etc etc.. that I wrote to, called and met.
None of them actually told me to take my helicam and fuk off, just everything short of that.

Cheers
12-22-2003 Over year old.
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Phoenix1
Heliman
Location: Bonita Springs, FL

your heli will be jelly........I gotta remember that one!
12-22-2003 Over year old.
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Tom Carne
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Location: Western Australia

OH come on MPA, at least they designed it around a heli and not a plank. I can't think of a better way to waste our hard earned tax dollars than letting a couple of guys go and have a play with heli's. I thought I might go and get a job with these guys. I mean what else are they going to do. Worry about the nation wide salinity problem. Oh **** now there's a use for the heli. Need to do some low level surveiliance of those salt flats.

No rain on flying days:)
12-22-2003 Over year old.
 
 
MPA
Elite Veteran
Location: Australia

They should have saved a couple of grand and built it around a dog turd for what its worth to the civil sector of Australia.

As far as salt flats inspection its a damn sight cheaper and safer with binoculars from a van covering a lot more ground.

And besides even if anyone wants to inspect salt flats or anything else mentioned above they will have to obtain an OC from CASA and that blow the budget and waste a good deal of theiretime suffice to make it not worth it.
CASA knows it, they do not want UAV or RPV in the sky in Aus and have gone to lengths to get rid of all but 1 token UAV corporation who I might add are putting there time and effort into US defence contracts, not Aus and certainly not civil uses in Aus.

The whole Aussie UAV thing is just a front to siphon off Aus tax payer money and spend it on school boy fantasties none of them have any market for nor have researched any actual expressions of intention to use UAV civily.

CASA is writing rules to serve those who are going nowhere with fantasy and prohibiting those who may actual make some use of RPV in the civil space, like me.

The UAV special interest group run from the Syndey Uni coffers is moribund and what is there contains nothing of any substance of any UAV or RPV in Australia.

The person who runs it has also run an endless stream of UAV seminars where exhorbitant fees are charge to attend, many "papers" written all of which amount to corporate type double speak in circles of vapour with an abundance of on the fly acronyms to impress anyone who wouldnt know the diff..

Where are all the technical findings ?
Where has all the money gone from the seminars ?

A perpetual talk fest to keep the gravy train rolling.
These guys make Mr Kaye's investment seminars look legitimate..
They run UAV seminars and promise the earth and stars with UAV that they know will never eventuate, but they will have done well out of it in the mean time.

They day they decided to regulate helicams out of business to serve their bogus UAV fantasy was the day their honey moon was doomed..
They dragged me and others into their domain, others gave up but I intend to kick out the jam and get to the ugly truth of this UAV charade here in Aus.

No prisoners.
12-23-2003 Over year old.
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cdrking
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Location: Seattle

Hey I just thought it was cool technology. I didn't know I would provoke such a response.

Please don't blame me if someone gets flamed

Jeff

To hover is divine, the alternative is rather PLANE.
12-23-2003 Over year old.
 
 
MPA
Elite Veteran
Location: Australia

Dont take it personally Jeff it is not directed at you.
12-23-2003 Over year old.
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r2160
Senior Heliman
Location: Sydney,Australia

Actually MPA, there is another person with CASA approval to operate a UAV.

He doesnt run seminars, but he does a few jobs here and there.

He tells me that getting approval didnt involve dollars, just a little time on his part writing the manuals.

He received approval pretty much the same time as the guys in queensland did.

Glenn
12-23-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Tom Carne
Veteran
Location: Western Australia

Quite right MPA. A friend of mine over here has tried to get the helicam thing going but CASA is just not interested. Mind you when has CASA done anything right in the civil aviation industry.

As its a diet concious world out there perhaps we should change from gravy train to banana boat.

Oh just on the salt flats we have worked out a solution without gov assitance anyway. We drain everything now.

No rain on flying days:)
12-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
MPA
Elite Veteran
Location: Australia

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worked out a solution without gov assitance anyway. We drain everything now.

Thanks to Aussie ingenuity we always find the best solution as I see you have Tom.
Good thing the govt doesnt have a ban on it, yet.
12-25-2003 Over year old.
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MPA
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Location: Australia

Glenn
I am aware there is another person with an OC.
Not seen any existance of him or his work, web site, business etc but Ive heard there is someone else with an OC.
Your mates claim about writing a few manuals and its all a snap are taken by me with a grain assault, they way I hear it from others its aint the case at all.
While there is no fee for the certification there are compliance costs in getting the level of certification.
No-one should have to do any of it period.
Nor have to re-new it each year as required.

If anyone thinks they should then who might that be.
Not sport fliers I hope, that would be the pot calling the kettle black and they'd do well to stay out of RPV and UAV regulations lest some in the UAV and RPV arena start making recommendations on the activites of sport fliers that sport fliers would not like I can assure you.

As far as easy to get an OC that is not true.
CASA goes a way to discourage it.
Ive been waiting 2 months now just to get an "OC package", still hasnt come.
Ive been wating over a month now for answer the the hard questions from Mal Walker at CASA, seems he has no answers.
Only threats.
http://www.aero.usyd.edu.au/wwwboar...wboard_uav.html

That said it is possible things may change at CASA before it gets to that.
The Minister has just handed CASA a NEW Charter.
http://casa.gov.au/hotopics/other/03-12-23and.htm

Might explain why last month Mal Walker announced a review of the UAV regs coming soon.
But his claims there with that statement are in denial of a number of facts so who knows what will happen.

The CAA regulations are already there in the UK, that we can adopt, they do not complicate the operations of anyone at our level or operations and in that alone they appear to be working.
CASA ignores them and claims they need their own which totaly ignores their claimed commitment to ICAO and CASA simply wishes to continue to obfuscate the need for certification and the procedure itself.

In that, "each applicant is processed on individual merit"
Meaning if CASA dont like you youre rooted.
There is no standard procedure to simplify it for everyone.
They just remove the hard parts as they see fit, from what Ive seen in the inconsitency in certification it's according to how much you bend over.
The line about them serving the fare paying public by forcing RPV operations into the dark is just crap, RPV operations are NOT in "controlled air space" where the fare paying public is.

This OC for RPV doing aerial photo or video is a waste of our time and CASA time that cost us tax dollars that doesnt go to a better cause.

Now CASA has a new charter and must show its worth to the tax payer lets see what comes in the new year.
It cant get any worse for RPV.

But CASA is only one part of the bigger problem getting RPV and UAV off the ground for payment in the civil sector.

There is no point in trying to get in first on competitors in this business because simply put, until there are many more operators here in Aus there will never be any acceptance of it and it will remain for occasional uses only to those it is plied to or the few events one might solicit to perform.
The more who operate, the more likely it will become know to those who may use it, the more all involved stand to make from that.
The ones trying to carve a lone path the capitolise on some fantasy they will get the advantage are simply fooling themselves and are of 0 help to anyone else.
Imagine if sport fliers all took that attitude.

We need a greater number of UAV and RPV operators by a large order or we will be forever in the dark corner, those that keep to themselves are only doing themselves harm.
Those that seek to exclude others to have some advantage will find they have no advantage at all and are simply killing the industry that if seen by more potential users of it, would see them get more work.

In regards to seminars, actual OC holders do not run the seminars, thats the big joke, the academe at our tax backed universities who dont have any OC nor will ever get one are all the ones running the seminars.
http://www.aero.usyd.edu.au/wwwboar...wboard_uav.html

Where are all the findings Doc Wong?
A question asked of him by others not just me.
Id like to ask where is all the money paid to him from the seminars, what did that go to. A look at the venues listed says a lot.

There is far too much fantasy going on with RPV and UAV in Aus and it seems to serve a sole few, and I dont mean OC holders.

It suits CASA to have everyone experimenting not actually operating.
So long as they are in research they can operate under Subpart G without any wasting any of CASA's time, when they decide they have a viable operation CASA has regs to ensure most wont and therefore most wont be wasting CASA time with OC compliance issues.

CASA can perpetually point to the research groups and say
"see look there is UAV being developed" and we are involved.
What they dont say is that once it is matured it wont be allowed to operate without unresonable obstacles placed before it by CASA.
The result of which means we still only have 3 OC holders in Aus and 3 times that number ceased doing it.

We UAV and RPV operators and those intending to need total transparencey in CASA and I for one am going to persue it till they are up front and everyone here knows the score and there is no doubts left.
My taxes pay them and I want results for my taxes not hinderance of my right to free trade in my own country and am in the proces of seeing what the dept of trade has to say on it.

Let us see what transpires in the new year.
Hope you have a good one.
12-25-2003 Over year old.
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