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Radio - Servo - Gyro - Gov - Batt > GY401 uneven L/R piro rate in HH
 
 
Michael_Fath
Senior Heliman
Location: Chugiak, AK

I am happy with the holding power of my GY401, but does anyone know why the pirouette rate is different between left and right. I have my ATVs for the Rudder at 150%L/120%R on two different helis, so they have consistent pirouette rates in each direction. The gyro is set up with linkages/arms at 90 degrees during hover. The gyro holds extremely well during high speed backwards flight. My piro rate is consistent during high speed FF. I have the travel adjustment set on the gyro just short of linkage binding at full throw. Does anyone know the story on the uneven piro rates? It doesn't seem logical to me.

Thanks,
Mike
04-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Kurt64
Veteran
Location: Salladasburg, PA

It could be a lot of different factors....head speed, tail blade size, tail blade design, etc...
It sounds like the rudder servo is working much harder than average in one direction to counteract the torque of the main blade rotation.
04-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Hotwings
Key Veteran
Location: Florida, Port Charlotte and West Palm Bch.

Try resetting your gyro, make sure the atv's are equal then set the throw limits on the gyro, also make sure the trim is in neutral, fly the heli and in non HH check to see if the heli wants to turn on you, if so adjust the length of the pushrod, DON"T use trim to adjust this as it is what causes unequal speeds during pir. let me know how this does if you choose to try it, this message will self destruct in 30 seconds. c-ya

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04-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
miataguy
Veteran
Location: Santa Barbara, CA

My setup is pretty similar to yours. The ATV values determine the pirouette rate. The difference arises due the rotational direction of the main rotor. For clockwise spinning MR, you need more left rudder to counteract the tendency for the heli to turn right. Hence the 150 value. Kurt's got the right idea.

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04-07-2002 Over year old.
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Michael_Fath
Senior Heliman
Location: Chugiak, AK

Here's my thoughts tell me where I've dropped the ball. The max piro rate with the GY401 in HH is about half the rate at which the tail has authority to spin my helis (in both directions). IOW, in rate mode with low gain the heli will almost spin itself to death (in both directions). When I give a rudder command to my GY401 in HH Mode, the amount of throw (or ATV) that I am sending the gyro is interpreted by the gyro as a pirouette rate. If the tail system has enough authority to spin the snot out of my heli (in both directions), why doesn't the gyro interpret the 150% ATV in each direction as the same pirouette rate in both directions. I really don't think the tail system limitations are at the root of the problem. I used to run a Telebee with the exact same setup, and the Telebee would almost spin my heli to bits (in both directions). The GY401 spins at about 1/2 the rate of my telebee. The mystery to me is why it doesn't spin it the same speed in both directions (for the same ATV Value) if we are well within the spin-rate-capabilty of my tail system. I'm not trying to get the 401 to spin at blurring speeds. I just want it to act "symmetrically".

Mike
04-07-2002 Over year old.
 
 
JasonF
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern VA

I think this is a common thing. Often, depending on your pitch slider arrangement, equal everything doesn't always mean your heli will piro with equal speed in either direction. Also the tail has a heck of an easier job spinning the heli opposite the main rotor than with it. Just adjust your uneven piro by increasing the rudder channel ATV for the slow direction. If I recall correctly I have a 10-15% difference to get the same rate in both directions.

Jason
04-07-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Michael_Fath
Senior Heliman
Location: Chugiak, AK

After some field testing today, I think I discovered my bad assumption.

I was thinking that the rudder travel volume would translate directly to a specific rotational velocity. And, the gyro would take full advantage of the travel limits to give me the specified rotational velocity. Since this didn't seem to hold true, I started thinking that at both max rudder travel volumes the GY401 was simply moving the rudder servo a specific amount. I figured that I was getting uneven rates because of the reasons I'd been given here with respect to head rotation direction etc.

Originally, I had been running a servo arm about 14mm long on my 9253. The travel limiter on my 401 was about 130% (with the tail linkage just short of binding). I decided to install a very long servo arm and reduce my travel limiter. Now the "specific amount" that the gyro was moving my tail servo would result in a much higher piro rate (longer servo arm = more tail pitch for the same amount of servo rotation). Sure enough, the tail is now a ripper with the longer servo arm. I used that ginormous Futaba servo wheel (at about 19mm). My travel limiter is just below 100%. I did have to reduce my gain from the low 90s to the upper 70s. But, the tail of my heli is now a blur. I did full speed backwards flight and had no blowouts. If the L/R piro rate is uneven now, I would have no way of knowing. It's just friggin fast in both directions. In an effort to solve my uneven piro rate issue, I stumbled on to a solution of my anemic tail with the 401. It was a good day. Heck, nobody's probably reading this anymore anyway.

Mike
04-08-2002 Over year old.
 
 
King Cobra
Veteran
Location: Virginia. USA.

I really missed

I am not very impress with the pirouette rate of the 401,501 or 601 vs the Telebee.

C.T
05-06-2002 Over year old.
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squirrel
Veteran
Location: South Whitley, IN

champion>>

Have you ever flown a heli?

squirrel
05-06-2002 Over year old.
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Secret Squirrel
Key Veteran
Location: New Zealander living in Melbourne, Australia

Woah!

Woah! Champion! Hold up there!

So are you're saying that you'd prefer the Telebee over any of the Futaba gyros????????????

You do know that the 601 is in the Rolls Royce category of gyros don't you? While some have had good experiences with the Telebee, I'd never ever have one on my helis after one failed in my mate's heli and then another failed in mine. Never again!

Have you flown any of the Futaba gyros you speak of?

Si

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Simon Lockington
05-06-2002 Over year old.
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Michael_Fath
Senior Heliman
Location: Chugiak, AK

Christopher:

Read my long-winded post and you'll see that you can get your GY401 to pirouette very fast with a long servo arm.

later,
Mike
05-06-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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