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Corey Stanchina
Senior Heliman
Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan

Whelp, I finally got my Extreme completed and I only had a chance to hover it in 25mph winds. Let me say this is one solid machine (so far anyway), not a vibe in site, not to mention a Damn nice paint job courtesy of Canopy-FX who did a flawless job. I absolutely loved building this machine-I loved the detailed manual and the quality of the engineering. This is my first MA heli and the first machine I built in which I did not have to order missing parts. I do agree with past posts about the flimsy landing gear and the poor rear canopy standoffs, but other than that I'm very satisfied so far. IMO this kit is more than worth the price and it should be a model for other manufacturers. I can't wait until the weather improves so I can put her through the rigors of a normal flight.

Again, I just wanted to mention how pleased I am about the paint job by Canopy-FX. Joe at Canopy-FX stripped off my poor attempt at a paint job and put anything I can do to shame in a reasonable time frame. I was pleased that he responded to all my emails within a day and just did an all around professional job for a damn good price. The pics on his website just don't do the paint jobs justice. Please take a look at my gallery for a closeup. BTW I am by no means affiliated with Canopy-FX other than being a first time very satisfied customer.

Corey
11-25-2003 01:37 PM
 
 
Vinnie
Senior Heliman
Location: Miami Beach, Florida

well

I *like* the landing gear.

Let me make two suggestions:

- Secure the landing gear rails by drilling appropriately sized holes in the plastic only, and using M4x6mm socket set screws. This is the new method used in the Tempest, and can be used for the Fury Extreme. This solves the problem where, after drilling a hole into part of the rail, vibration and nitromethane cause the hole to expand and the screw to fall out.

- Order two pairs of Tempest canopy knobs. These knobs totally rock and they are a drop-in replacement for the Fury friction-fit system. You don't need to use any CA on the grommets if you use the Tempest knobs, and you don't need to glue the carbon tube into the front canopy grommets either.

You will like it too.
11-25-2003 02:30 PM
 
 
Mujenpwr
Senior Heliman
Location: Mickleton, NJ

Nice canopy ck my gallery out. I glued my grommets in and I also use the Tempest thumb screws. I used some Hatori SB16 muffler spacers and cut them down. I had them left over b/c I used the CNC 1 piece muffler clamp/mount.
11-25-2003 05:35 PM
 
 
Corey Stanchina
Senior Heliman
Location: Kalamazoo, Michigan

rear canopy mounts

What I had planned was to use the same canopy standoffs as in the front but for the rear and cut them to size and mirror what's in the front. Would there be a problem doing this?

Corey
11-25-2003 06:04 PM
 
 
Tom Carne
Veteran
Location: Western Australia

I have just finished an Extreme kit myself nad have been very impressed with the model. I was however short of one PEM nut and one of my blade bolts had a deformed head. Apart from that I would say the building was a good experience. You should know your model well after building one. I did sit back and look at the model and think that in some areas there was some brilliant engineering and others where it could have been imrpoved. Overall a very good model straight out of the box and in my opinion better than a stock Vigor CS.

No rain on flying days:)
11-25-2003 11:30 PM
 
 
KCorning
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern Lower Michigan

Nice Extreme Corey! Bring that bad boy up north with the family next year and we'll burn some fuel.

-Kevin
11-26-2003 02:21 AM
 
 
Buzzin Brian
Elite Veteran
Location: College Station, Texas

RSL_Mongoose,
That is the second time I have seen you post that you got a bad paint job from Joe. What was wrong with it? I have NEVER had bad results from Joe. And I have had him do a few for me. Actually my Tempest canopy is on its way to him now. And I am fully comfortable that I will get it back looking like a million bucks. And he is also going to do one for my Raptor 50, Vigor CS, and another one to replace the one I toasted a few months back for my Extreme. I don't think I have ever heard anyone complain about his work, so I just found myself wondering what happened. Enlighten us!

Build it, fly it, crash it. Repeat as often as needed.
11-26-2003 02:29 AM
 
 
CitationX
Senior Heliman
Location: Danville, IN

Tempest Landing Gear

Vinnie,

I have not heard of that technique for securing the landing gear. I have one skid that I noticed was loose and you could tell the holes in the skid had enlarged. Set-screw pressure alone will hold the skids in place? I will have to look into that one.

Thanks for the post.

Nick
11-26-2003 03:27 AM
 
 
Buzzin Brian
Elite Veteran
Location: College Station, Texas

Actually that is how pretty much all other helis set the skids in place. I have built several helis, and the Fury was the ONLY one I have ever seen the used screws through the skids. All others I have built have used set screws.

Build it, fly it, crash it. Repeat as often as needed.
11-26-2003 03:35 AM
 
 
Buzzin Brian
Elite Veteran
Location: College Station, Texas

I got the PICS, and I agree there were issues. But it kind of sounded to me like it was real bad. To me that wasn't a train wreck. A small speck of trash in the clear coat on a fin, small specks of paint at the edge of the fade on the fin, and the little bit of white at the edge of one of the mask points on the flame job. All of which had to be zoomed in on the see. I agree that isn't perfect, but not a total disaster. If it makes you feel better, I thought the pics of the whole heli looked pretty sweet. But I did see the stuff you pointed out, and to would not be pleased. Did you speak with him prior to you posting here about it? And even if you didn't, did you let him redo the job for you after he offered? I would have.

Build it, fly it, crash it. Repeat as often as needed.
11-27-2003 02:07 AM
 
 
Buzzin Brian
Elite Veteran
Location: College Station, Texas

Thats OK. I understand why you weren't happy, but I still would have given him a chance to make it right. No matter when he offered to do so. But that is your perogative. I can say that a friend of mine has a canopy that was painted by another one of the GREAT painters, and I wouldn't have given one plug nickel for the paint job. It is way worse than the PICS I saw of yours. So they are all capeable of mistakes, as are all humans. Sorry you had this exsperience. Luckily I have never had this problem with Joe. And until I do, I will continue to use him. And even if I did, I would let him do it again. But to each his own.

Please don't take this as a flame. I am just stateing my view on the situation. No offense intended!

Build it, fly it, crash it. Repeat as often as needed.
11-27-2003 04:31 AM
 
 
wademcgee
Senior Heliman
Location: Kennesaw,Ga.

Really Stinks

It is hard for people to understand how hard it is to paint these things. Lord knows I have really screwed the pooch on some canopies, but I try very hard to make it right each and every time.

Joe, you have always been right by me and I know what kind of work I have seen you turn out. Not sure where the communication broke down but it is unfortunate. For those of you that don't know, Joe was my mentor. He taught me what I know over the phone!!! I would let Joe paint my personal canopy and I am a painter.

We paint canopies for a fraction of what a Helmet or Motorcycle tank painter would charge...for one reason...we Love it. Joe, like myself, does this part time and it gets tough from time to time. I'm not whining, but we both paint in our garage and I can't lie, I do get an occasional unlucky mosquito in the mix...we all do. For what we charge, usually less than $90 per paint job, it is a heck of a challenge to provide quality, quantity, and efficiency simultaneously. What if we all raised our prices to $250+ like some do. I truly believe that you should get 100% quality wether you pay $1000 or $10, so I understand if there was something that may have been substandard in your eyes. All that I want to add is that we are all human and this is a creative endeavor and therefore prone to human error.

Just my .02
11-28-2003 01:17 AM
 
 
Buzzin Brian
Elite Veteran
Location: College Station, Texas

Its no big deal Joe. I have spoken to you on the phone before, and have had you do a few canopies for me. You have always been straight forward, and a nice guy to deal with. And my canopies have always been perfect. And I exspect the one you have now (You got mine and two others Wednesday) will be just as nice. I just wasn't sure why this was comming up in the last few posts about your work, so I had to ask. As you have never taken me for the kind of guy that wouldn't want to make your customers happy. A happy customer, is a repeat customer. So why would you not want to? So I had no problem comming to you defense. But I will reluctantly agree to accept a discount on the canopy you are painting for me!

Just kidding about that last part!

Build it, fly it, crash it. Repeat as often as needed.
11-28-2003 03:14 AM
 
 
wademcgee
Senior Heliman
Location: Kennesaw,Ga.

Agreed

Like I said, it is all about communication.
11-28-2003 06:35 PM
 
 
Conrod
Veteran
Location: Melbourne, Florida

Corey

What kind of pipe is that on your machine?
11-29-2003 01:18 AM
 
 
Madcow
Senior Heliman
Location: Mackay, QLD, Australia

Mongoose, I don't see where you say that the paint job was unacceptable in your communication. I mean if you're so disappointed and want to return, you probably shouldn't have started with:
'I just got my canopy the paint looks great'
Maybe you haven't shown all the communication, but from what I can see, you had a small issue, you asked about it and was told that it couldn't be 'repaired'. That's not the same thing as Joe saying he won't repaint it if you're unhappy. Then you posted pics on Runryder?
I think that's jumping the gun I reckon. I'd encourage you guys to sort it out, reputations and possibly livelihoods are at stake.
11-29-2003 08:23 AM
 
 
KCorning
Senior Heliman
Location: Northern Lower Michigan

Jeez Corey, did ya have to start this mess??? Just kidding, man.

-Kevin
11-29-2003 09:32 PM
 
 
DrScoles
Veteran
Location: Redmond WA

As long as we're calling names here RSL_Mongoose.... What kind of Mo gets a canopy painted for a "static display?" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA.....

Instead of whining about your hangar queen, go out and FLY!!!

I've had work done my Joe before and it was outstanding... Wade McGee too.....two great guys doing a great service to those of us in the hobby with zero talent or time to paint...

Static display???? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm sorry, I'm still laughing...static display????? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I don't like to put fuel in my helicopters because it makes them oily......

Mike
11-30-2003 01:36 AM
 
 
wademcgee
Senior Heliman
Location: Kennesaw,Ga.

Oh man

Scoles, you made me spew Soda all over my laptop...I'll get you for that one
11-30-2003 02:23 AM
 
 
Vinnie
Senior Heliman
Location: Miami Beach, Florida

listen

Please cut the crap with this canopy painting nonsense.

Getting back on topic - any time you screw things into the metal skids you are going into a situation where the hole will enlarge over time. You can tell this is happening when you see a lot of black soot around the skids. This is the result of fine metal particles (coming from the hole) mixing with the oil from the exhaust.

The set screw method is the best choice for the Fury skids, but be sure not to overtighten or else you can cause the plastic to crack.

Yes the set screw will hold the skid in place. However in the event of a crash it is possible that the rail will move. This is not a bad thing, it helps to absorb some of the impact.

As for the gear being flimsy, yes they break in a crash; Again, this is a good thing. I prefer that the gear plastic breaks away and absorb the impact rather than breaking the frame (very bad).
11-30-2003 01:18 PM
 
 
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