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YSRRider
Key Veteran
Location: Ingleside/Fox Lake, IL

what ever happened to TSK helis? and the hirobo Tsrugi and GPH346 are they old news now? back in early 2000 when I tried to get into helis, they seemed to be the most popular, now you dont hear anything about them anymore, i did see a TSK on ebay! are they any good?? i dont know much about TSK helis.
04-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
sykochin
Senior Heliman
Location: GoWest

Stay away from it.
It's gone, Went out of business.
I wonder why
04-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
YSRRider
Key Veteran
Location: Ingleside/Fox Lake, IL

really... i wonder why. the design looked similar to an xcell from what i could see.. unless it was an xcell30? when did they kick the bucket?
04-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

TSK is out of business, but not because the design(s) weren't any good. In fact, they were some of the best machines ever marketed. The fit and quality of the parts simply had to be seen to be believed.

They are gone mainly because the heir apparent CEO, the nephew of the owner, bled the company dry through embezzlement. The company never was very large, and had a small but dedicated following of customers around the world.

TSK machines never caught on in the US, due entirely to the single-handed efforts of one individual. This person was not the sole importer, but that was a widely-believed fallacy, and his name became associated with TSK in the US. Given his reputation, that was enough to kill the line right there.

Toward the end, an effort was made to turn things around. Ron Lund began carrying TSK stuff, and with his good name behind the line, the situation might have improved with enough time. But not long after Ron got involved, the embezzlement was discovered and the firm was in deep financial trouble. The old man came back to the helm to try to save things, and was managing to keep the firm afloat; then apparently said to hell with it and put the company up for sale. There were no takers, so TSK just quietly went away.

Too bad, really. The MyStar line of helicopters were a very good deal; a top-quality (providing you had a GENUINE TSK kit, as opposed to one that had 50% or more "cloned" parts) machine that was not overly expensive and flew as well as you could ask for.

There is a guy making some parts ("HeliTech", I think, is the name of his company), and his avowed goal is to produce entire machines eventually. I hear his prices are high, but can't tell you anything about the quality, etc. There are some folks keeping up with this who do know.

I think you would be making a double mistake here; in the first place, buying a used machine sight unseen, and secondly, one that is out of print and has questionable parts support.

On the Hirobo questions, perhaps some of the many reps on this board can answer those.

Steve
04-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Robertc
Heliman
Location: El Paso, TX

I still have two TSK Mystar 30s. Like Steve says, they are top notch.
I get my parts from Helitech. They say they have all parts for the Mystar
30, 46 and 60. Some parts are reasonable and some are downright high. Besides old stock in a few places, Helitech is the only source of parts. Service has been fine for me. Having said that, I fly the Raptor
much more as I don't mind crashing it. The TSK, I really hate to crash.
04-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Darkstar
Senior Heliman
Location: USA

Hirobo Tsurugi

The Tsurugi is a very good, high quality helicopter, that flys great. I love the design and really enjoy flying mine. I was able to get it, almost new, from a LHS for a steal.

The Tsurugi has not been very popular because the Eagle was marketed well and the Tsurugi was not. It is a mid-priced .60 size bird, meant to fit between the GPH 346 and the eagle.

The model is fairly old, about 8 years, so it is not supported any more, so I would not recommend it for that reason, although you can still get parts from a couple of sources. Also, some parts from the Eagle can be used as well.

I'll continue to fly mine until it becomes too much of a hassle to get parts.

Tim.
04-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Tskrotorhead
Senior Heliman
Location: Washington

Yes the original TSK is gone but there are still a lot of us TSKers still flying them. Very well built all metal machines that proved themselves in the air. Parts are hard to come by but there are used TSK being sold all the time. When TSK first went down I bought the entire stock from a local hobby shop, 2 MyStar 60 kits, 1 MyStar 30 kit and several hundred individual parts. I did this just to keep my TSKs flying but believe me, I got a good deal.

HeliTech is reproducing parts but like Steve said, they are high priced. They are planning on putting out thier own machine that will be based on the TSK. I don't know when this will happen but we will see. The owner is a TSKer and wanted parts support for his and other TSK fliers. I haven't had to buy any parts from them so I don't know about the quality.

So there are still TSKers out there flying and loving it.

BTW , Steve, I thought that you had a TSK.


Paul
04-01-2002 Over year old.
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Scotty740
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashport, Ohio

I'm another TSK flyer. Like TSKrotorhead I bought up a lot of parts and machines when things started to go down hill.

My first helicopter was a TSK MyStar 30 and it was a great machine. I still have 5 MyStar 46s, 3 flying with OS50s in them and 2 on the bench as parts machines.

Some trivia for you all. Taya, the designer of the Raptors won a world championship flying a TSK KAISER in 1985.
04-01-2002 Over year old.
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Tskrotorhead
Senior Heliman
Location: Washington

Hey Scotty740, went to your website, nice pics.
04-01-2002 Over year old.
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ed vega
Key Veteran
Location: nyc, queens

good to hear tsk flyers again . clones are ok as long as the tolerences are the same .. on the other hand other japanese manufactures parts will interchange easily , tail rotors, booms, gears, rotor heads and the like, etc ... moving on or stay original - make it fly the way you want .
04-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

Paul,

I had four; every iteration (30,46,60,gasser) of the MyStar. But that was during a time when I had the urge to try something different every few years. I sold them one by one, fully intending to "return to the fold", as it were. It wasn't to be...

<<...clones are okay as long as the tolerances are the same...>>

Well, I reckon that is a matter of opinion, Ed. I feel differently.

Steve
04-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ed vega
Key Veteran
Location: nyc, queens

steve, my 1st choice is oem tsk parts, 2nd is surplus oem , unfortunately now that tsk is gone what choice do I have to find a replacement part for my fleet in the uberlife.. i'll check helitechusa see what they offer , or other related japan links .

now if I need a replacement part and someone has a part that will work within tolerances like JR series parts etc.. most likely they are closer to the original machine , improved on - thats fine with me ..

it's a constantly evolving hobby . adaptabilty is good . mixing machines is not an issue , interchange is a great attribute for any heli..
04-01-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

We're talking apples & oranges, ED.

You're talking about a machine's adaptability, and making do with what's available. I agree 100%

I'm talking about a vendor who sells a complex product, but through a sweet-heart deal with the manufacturer is allowed to buy only those OEM parts he cannot clone; the end result being that the buyer/end user does NOT get a completely genuine kit, like he thought he was paying for.

I never knew just how bad that bastid was ripping us off until, one day at the Jamboree, I set my MyStar 60 down next to one that had been purchased in Japan, and therefore had not be "selectively kitted". It was an amazing revelation.

I spent over three grand on those four machines and related accoutrements. I figure I got MAYBE $1500 worth of genuine TSK parts.

So in case some of you are wondering why I hold this grudge, that's why.

You guys still flying TSKs, keep your heads up. At least he can't do any more damage. It's all already been done...

Steve
04-02-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ed vega
Key Veteran
Location: nyc, queens

steve, i agree it's atrocious what they did with tsk . i'm not happy with it either .
04-02-2002 Over year old.
 
 
sykochin
Senior Heliman
Location: GoWest

Are you guys talking about that Bastard in PA.
What a thief he is!
04-02-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Waldo
Veteran
Location: Middle of the corn patch (Iowa)

Is his the name that must never be heard? come on guy's just say his name. I'm guessing this is the same guy that spams all the helicopters sites with glowning reports of his helicopters and store.

[b]Bill[/b]
04-02-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Darkstar
Senior Heliman
Location: USA

Clone Parts

Steve,

Wow, I've heard a lot of negative things about this guy, but selling kits with clone parts is really bad. To me, that should be illegal.

Thats a good enough reason not to buy from him even if you have be treated well by him before.

That pisses me off and I've never dealt with him before.

Tim.
04-02-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Steve Campbell
Elite Veteran
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

<<...selling kits with clone parts...>>

I didn't want to believe it. But it was kind of difficult not to, with the evidence staring me in the face.

Then, the following year, I met a former employee of Irwin's, and found out a whole bunch of interesting things.

The guy is a real prince...

Still, it seems like he has made an effort to clean up his act somewhat. His foray into the big planks actually has gained him some supporters on another forum. Of course, there are some detractors as well, and not former heli guys. Some traits just cannot be corrected, I suppose...

Steve
04-02-2002 Over year old.
 
 
sykochin
Senior Heliman
Location: GoWest

Ohhh That's the guy you are talking about.
People don't change over night! WATCH OUT !!!
04-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
oldfart
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver, Canada

TSK Parts

On the west coast of Canada, a goood supply of parts still seems to be available from Dean at Norburn in Burnaby.

www.norburnrc.com
04-03-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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