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Graupner Koala-Bell 230-Elektro Skaler > Anyone have a Starlet 50?
 
 
Ole Martin
Heliman
Location: Norway

Nine months ago i bought a Starlet 50. I have only flown it 7 times, but I am hooked. RC model helicopter is really amasing. I have crashed twice. I am not looking forward for the norwegian winter. There will probably be less flying the next three months.... But I am at least going to practise a lot on my new simulator.
Anyone else having a Starlet 50? Then we can interchange experiences, photos, tips etc.
11-21-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Jorjo
Heliman
Location: Belfast NI

Yup, Just bought mine this week, havent flown it yet (haven't flown any yet) Ive completed the mechanics plus servos and just finished paintin the pod is ugly but hopefully highly visable colours, Signal orange lower half and dark blue metallic top half, I'm just about to start into the gyro placement, reviever and fuel tank,
its gettin there
).
01-06-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Ole Martin
Heliman
Location: Norway

How many hours have you used to complete the mechanics? What gyro do you have, and transmitter/reciever? Are you from US? What do you have to pay for such machine over there?
01-08-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Jorjo
Heliman
Location: Belfast NI

mechs took a full night to complete. Gyro is a csm icg180 piezo.
though this is where it all turns strange. I plan on installig two more gyros bringing the count up to three ie, tail and pitch. The notion of 3d dosn't appeal to me in the slightest (personal opinion in 3d is that it looks daft and pointless, but each to their own) With a Gyro to handle each axis the heli should be very stable as a cam deck during flight.

Transmitter is a JR xp662. Inspite of all the warnings that lesson one is how to crash, Im figuring on completing the rig before I ever fly it. the logic being that 1 I will be extra patient and 2 it will be a known quantity right from day one.

Im In Belfast UK ie Northern Ireland and comming into RC helis from a special effects Visuals background, The thing that clinched it for me with the starlet 50 was the easy upgrade to a 60 if I require more payload (Very probable in time) Total cost to date has been £850 UK pounds sterling, which as far as I can see is everything from fuel & starter kit to the heli kit. Ive still the two additional gyros to buy @ £52 each, and have a strong temptation to buy a picollo for the hell of it (and an excuse long term to convert it to a bell 47 mini scaler)

I expect It will be 2-3 weeks before Ive sorted the cam gear for the 50 and untill then the maiden flight will have to wait,
have you any figures on the 50's payload?

Jorjo
01-08-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Ole Martin
Heliman
Location: Norway

I agree with you. 3D does not appeal to me eighter. As you, my plan also is to mount a digital videocamera to the machine. You dont have flown a model helicopter before??? If not, you have to practise some without a camera mounted!!! I promise.
In ten months I have crashed five times. And I think I am careful enough...
I really find the "three gyro project" interesting. Sometimes I have thought about the same.... Keep me updated...
One month ago I bought a pair of 602mm carbone main rotor blades, and also longer tail rotor blades. The machine is very much more stable (I will absolutly recommed it), but the engine is probably a bit weak. My next upgrade is probably a 60 engine... But I need the money first.

Well, have to go to class now.
Keep in contact

Sorry about my english

By the way: I dont have any figures on the Starlet 50s payload.
01-13-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Jorjo
Heliman
Location: Belfast NI

I just bought my first upgrade for the Starlet 50!
jokingly known at the crash course I bought an Ikarus Piccolo today. It was a toss up between it and a scale jet ranger body. I figured on the piccolo being a cheaper way to get the hang of the absoloute basics and work on perfecting the starlet for the camera stuff as incentive.

Admittidly Ive never flown, but then again, everybody on the forum said that at one time, and they can all fly (well mostly) now. And since rc heli flyin has been established as possable. the rest is just a learning curve.
What i'm finding strange is that the are so few starlet owners on here, I did a lot of looking into the "best option" and the Starlet 50 is head and sholders better built and designed than most of the other options, even to the point where you can tell at a glance that it could withstand more of an impact than most, I get the impression that it may be becasue the 50's mechs where more common in scale and may only recently have become available as pod n boom. however, I figure that a world champ flyin a scale in 3d comps with these same workings kinda proves his design works. The way I'm told it, It was a 60 in with these mechs in a jet ranger shell.
Every time I look at this thing with the canopy off, it reminds me of the shape of the movie Aliens (Alien queens head ). The damn thing just looks right even before you fly it
01-13-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Ole Martin
Heliman
Location: Norway

I have often searched the WWW to find others who have a Starlet 50, but you are the first I have found. Great, and even greater that also you have such camera plans!!!
Yesterday I recieved a new flybar/paddle bar, and new landing skids seven weeks after i ordered them. That is my biggest problem. It takes a eternity to get Graupner parts after ordering here i Norway. Probably because, as you say, there is no others who have Starlet 50`s neither other Graupner/Heim machines.
I worked four hours yesterday evening just to change the flybar beacause I had used to much locktite "everywhere" when I assebled the old broken one a few months ago. Well, I have learned now...

My equipment:

Transmitter: Sanwa/Airtronics RD 6000 Sport
Gyro: Futaba GY 401 with a quick digital servo for the rudder.
Tuned pipe exhaust system.
602 mm main rotor blades (carbone)

Do you use a governor Jorjo?

Well, "talk" later....
01-15-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Jorjo
Heliman
Location: Belfast NI

part problems? I think I may be able to solve that. My local dealer stocks a wide selection of spares (and flys starlet himself) If you finding it tight getting spares I reckon it should be easy to order of him by phone, or Plan B, Me picking up what you need and sending it on, and leave you pay pal me the costs.
Ps no govener (yet)
01-15-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Ole Martin
Heliman
Location: Norway

What is your e-mail Jorjo?
Then we can write private.
01-20-2004 Over year old.
 
 
barcoes
Heliman
Location: Enterprise AL

Hello,
I have just purchased a Graupner Scarlett 50 in fact it isn't even here yet. This will be my first Heli. A guy I work with has one and he loves his. I am eventually wanting to put this into the Jet ranger Fusalage. So I have no photos to share yet. I am quite new to this whole thing ie after I submit this reply I am not sure if I can find this thread again. I was just out looking for some fellow graupner owners.
Sean
01-31-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Jorjo
Heliman
Location: Belfast NI



Ole martin my email is
Jorjo@timebasecollective(DOT)com

Barcoes.

Congrats Barcoes.
Mine is sitting here as yet un flown and officially my first heli too. My plan was also the jet ranger shell, but on the advice of my local heli hero Dez Mc neil, (a guys that owns the local heli shop and the best part of thirty years of heli flyin) I skipped the shell for now and went pod n boom, the money I would have spent on the jet ranger shell, went on a piccilo fun as a trainer instead.

I'll get round to a scale shell as a bench project while i get it flying in it bra and knickers format

Now for the tricky bit, ie not offending the other members of runryder.

I built the 50, it was easy. then i discovered it maybe wasnt so much easy but more perfectly engineered. I wanted to do as much for myself as possabile and spent a day sorting out the fuel tank alone after it was built. it not so obvious but that uplift nozzle could suck it's self to the wall of the tank etc. also the fill method. all will be come apparent as you build, but the two pipe system mean you would be constantly removing the out let pipe to fill it thus I decided to add a third pipe for filling in through that pre marked indent in the tank bung. (splitting the brass pipe in two made this very easy) also Adding a fuel filter in both the filler pipe and outlet pipe will insure that the tank is always clean.
One other trick was fitting HALF of an extra screw thread type fule fliter on the end of the filler pipe and the other half to the pipe from My ground support filler pump, which effectivley tidys up the filling system.
all in all thats two filters for the fuel and an extra on with the gauze removed to form a simple filling coupler. the filters where under £2 each and nicely machined

[sigh] ok now the hard part, particularly when most of the guys here have years of experience and I don't
I admit I have very little flight time. Zero on the 50 so far, But! I did a lot of research before deciding on the 50 as my first major heli.
fist thing I can say is that the starlet is expensive by comparison to most, but it very clear that you get what you payfor. That alone probably explains why there are so few of us showin up on here. The design and construction when compaired to the raptors and shuttles etc is signifigantly more robust while remaining light. so I gotta say, right out of the box, Ive been most impressed with it.
However.
By the time I had it built and realised that I was the weak link in the chain. I decided and was advised to skip the scale shell initailly and buy an expendable heli to get the basics down.
Ive watched a lot of thread on here suggesting that a sim is the way to go and to be honest I can see the point for raptors and shuttles. but for a starlet I'd say no. By buying a piccolo fun (which is basicly a toy by comparison) instead of the shell, you can get over that "OH ****" feeling on your first flights. No sim in the world can create that feeling of responsibility when the dam thing lifts off and you realise that it all down to you from then. Don't even for a second think that my 50 will ever be a hanger queen. what Im getting at here is this. jump ahead a few months to when your competent even just to take of and land it.safely, and ask this question. would I hand over the controls to a guy that has never flown a heli? or would I give a guy that can fly a piccolo a chance?
Everything Ive heard form those I trust, the starlet 50 is very forgiving and easy to fly, but its also very capapble of extream flying. that kinda like my twin turbo supra sitting at the door, its a pussy cat too, but I would'nt fancy teachin a kid to drive in it, it could all turn ugly and expensive fast, I figure the starlet the same way.
Thus.
My game plan evolved after buying the best heli I could afford. into then also buying the cheapist heli that would fly as a trainer instead of a shell

Damn good job that I did buy the piccolo. Its sole purpose was to experience hovering and orientation before risking the starlet. so far its been an amazing experience. one slip and smash, but the piccolo just clips back together. the real experience is knowing that THAT would have been the starlet! To all accounts the piccolo is harder to fly, its small its twitchy and its expendable. the starlts weight alone dictates that inertia will make it a smoother fly.
Three or four weeks back I was in the same situ as yourself, cash on the hip and enthusiastic. Today. well nothings changed except that the cash is gone and the responsibility for keeping that investment intact forced a healthy dose of common savy into the equation.
Put a cheapo trainer into your learning curve between the sim and the starlet. The piccolo has cost me a "SMALL" fortune in replacement parts already. but its saved my starlet from becoming scrap in the clumsy hands of an inexperienced owner.

The short version!
Before investing in a scale body for your starlet.
Buy a cheapo electric instead for SCALE repair costs while getting the hang of flying.
tis way better laughing and thinking damn that was dumb and learning from it as the piccolo bites the deck, than standing petrified and frozen with your starlet in the air too soon.

BTW.Barcoes? i'm curious re yer ID. most of my production equipment is manufactured by Barco in Belgium

Jorjo
01-31-2004 Over year old.
 
 
bippe
Heliman
Location: Norway, Kristiansand

Hi all!

Last summer i bought a starlet 50. Took me a while to build it since some parts were missing in the kit. had to have them sent from germany......... (took ages)

Anyway, i completed the building, got some help from the local club with the setup and trimming, and started practicing my hovering. im about to start practicing flying forwards and hovering nose first.

my equipment:

starlet 50 with os 46 fx-h
sanwa rd 6000
graupner servos
hitec gyro ( piezo)
tune pipe (currently beeing adjusted)
installed a nipple for fuel filling ( no more mess!!!)

I have been wondering what to do whith the pushrod for the tailrotor. I do not like the solution graupner have chosen. it seems to me that the pushrod is traveling a bit slow. There is to much friction in the carbonpipe and under the tail wing. Have any of you guys done anything whith this?

My canopy is yellow as well as the tail wings. It works very good combined with the black body.

Im still flying with the old wooden blades. Saw that ole martin is flying with carbon blades. maybe a thing for the future......

well, have to go now. but I will try to upload some pictures.

c ya
04-25-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Ole Martin
Heliman
Location: Norway

Hei bippe!

Eg har bestemt meg for å selge Starleten min. Vil du kjøpe han, dvs. restene av han for ein billig penge i forhold til hjå Teknisk Hobby. Du kan jo bruke han som ein reservedelemaskin...
Du lyt sjå...
Men forresten, kva er e-post adressa di? Så kan vi halde kontakten privat.

Med helsing

Ole Martin,
Student busett på Gimlekollen
04-27-2004 Over year old.
 
 
bippe
Heliman
Location: Norway, Kristiansand

kan jo kanskje være aktuelt. har ikke behov for noen deler akkurat nå men karbonblader høres interessant ut.

min mail: arnsteinjohannesen@hotmail.com

For those few of you who do not understand norwegian, and do not bother to translate, I will tell you what we are talking about.

Ole martin is thinking of selling his starlet, so I said I would maybe be interested. That all folks!
04-28-2004 Over year old.
 
 
washout
Senior Heliman
Location: london, england

jorjo i think you might have to upgrade your radio to even think about using it for camera work. just my 2 euro cents
10-19-2004 Over year old.
 
 
Jorjo
Heliman
Location: Belfast NI

Thanks for the heads up washout.

I'm grounded for now.
Tails strike and tipped slowly clipping the baldes which inevetably didnt survive.

It turns out that there where two problems.
1/ it was semi built as a display model in the shop where I bought it and the tail drive was'nt as tight internally as it should have been which lead to discovering the slippage in the first lift off.
2/ I'm convinced that my JR settings could be well off since the starlet is a unusual setup apparently.

If anyone here can advise me on the correct set up for the JR with the starlet, Id be much obliged.

Regarding the camera work, te plan is/was to add an independent aditional system for the camera rig and fly as a two person system.

If theres any wisdom against this, again I be glad of a heads up.

Meanwhile theres no great panic, since Ive been grounded and busy with other stuff over the winter.
but summer's beckoning and I'm starting to get that urge to get airborn again
03-25-2006 Over year old.
 
 
Heimypilot
Heliman
Location: Hengelo Netherlands

hello,

I own a Uni star 60 with a graupnr/JR MC20 transmitter and I owned a MC15 and still have a MC17 lying around. So I might be able to help you with your JR xp662 and starlet.
So let me know where you run into trouble or where you think you can have it better......

Steven
03-30-2006 Over year old.
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