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crazyaboutqheli
Heliman
Location: houston tx,77080

Hi Everyone:

This is Julie, I got a call on Wednesday from the Sheriff's department and the medical examiner has ruled this as an "accident" so no charges are being filed against my husband. That was something he was really worried about. The sargeant also told me some other interesting news, he was reading to me from the report and it shows that the call came in at 1:02 pm to dispatch EMS, and then it shows EMS on the scene at 1:17pm. Now for the ones who were there, did you see someone arrive that fast? I haven't heard of anything like that so now it looks like someone is trying to cover up what really happened that day. I think everyone who was present that day needs to do a notarized statement and submit it to the family should they decide to pursue liability against the city or county. They have also released Billy's helicopter, however he hasn't been able to take off of work to go pick it up. He is anxious to find out what really caused the accident, his guess is the battery went dead but he isn't 100% sure that was it. Billy and Scott both started therapy this week and it has been alot better week for all of us, they will continue going probably thru the end of the year. We went to the showing, and that really helped Scott to deal with what happened alot better. We also went to the fun fly in La, it was great meeting some of you guys. Alot of you still made us nervous because it looked like alot of you were still flying to close to yourself or someone else. Billy has kinda decided that he is going to try and start flying again after the first of the year, but he wants to take things slow. We want to say one more time, thanks to everyone for your support and encouragement it has really meant alot to us. May God bless each of you and be with you when you are flying.

Julie, Billy, and Scott
11-17-2003 02:57 AM
 
 
white chocolate
Key Veteran
Location: Baltimore, Md.

crazyaboutqheli

Im glad to hear it.
11-17-2003 03:18 AM
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skydvr79
Senior Heliman
Location: gainesville, florida, usa

I'm very sorry for the loss, but this post really P!$$es me off
first I wasnt there however being a EMT I know what it feels like for help to arrive in a medical emergency, but I also know how the times are recorded. Dispatch gets the call time 1 recorded, EMT's radio dispatch and tell them they are leaving the station, time 2 recorded, EMT's arrive on scene radio dispatch time 3 recorded. they wouldnt know how the patient was at the time they arrived on scene because the would have radioed from ambulance as soon as they arrived on scene these times are locked into a computer and would not be changed they are part of a medical record. EMT's do a VERY hard job with VERY little appreciation. i understand that it is hard to lose someone but when someone spends their life trying to help people that they do not know for little or no money they deserve thanks not blame
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it shows that the call came in at 1:02 pm to dispatch EMS, and then it shows EMS on the scene at 1:17pm. Now for the ones who were there, did you see someone arrive that fast? I haven't heard of anything like that so now it looks like someone is trying to cover up what really happened that day. I think everyone who was present that day needs to do a notarized statement and submit it to the family should they decide to pursue liability against the city or county
people in america are sue happy and blame happy from my knowlege of what happened it was an accident. and just like you dont want your husband blamed the EMT's that give there lives every day trying to save peoples lives dont want to be blamed for things that are not their fault either (especially when they are there trying to save a life!)
11-17-2003 04:23 AM
 
 
CJames
Elite Veteran
Location: Back in KC

Isn't the AMA going to pay anything on this? Your husband was a member right?
11-17-2003 04:46 AM
 
 
crazyaboutqheli
Heliman
Location: houston tx,77080

Hi, this is Julie again. I wanted to apologize to skydvr79. I didn't post this to make anyone upset. It is just that everyone who was there will tell you that it took 30-45 minutes for the paramedics to arrive and we just question why it says 15 minutes on the report. We think EMS and EMT's all the time for saving people but maybe if they would have arrived faster then Ron would be thanking you himself too. I know when I got the first call from my son at 1:23pm there was noone on the site yet. This is only the police report that has these times, it will be interesting to actually see the dispatch records and the EMS records just to see if they match.
11-17-2003 04:47 AM
 
 
Jim C
Veteran
Location: Indiana, PA

skydvr79 : i have been in your shoes.. well kinda.. i was a vol. fireman for 10 yrs and have had to go to court for the "sue happies" however, by what i have read, someone dropped the ball, or they really truely couldnt find the place.. that i will never know.. but if it is found to be true neglogence.. they have a legit beef and are able to do so. thats for the local courts to decide if need be. and your right.. it is a thankless job and that will probably never change. but thank goodness for the good samaritian law.. seen many many cases dismissed that were petty and uncalled for thrown out. sorry bro, that is the way the cookie crumbles.. dont like it?? well 2 options, deal with it, or find a new profession. it will never ever change. as long as the people think they can sue for an easy buck.. its gonna happen.. just go spill some coffee on your lap and sue everybody.. the state for having shoddy roads cuz you hit a bump, the place you got the coffee from cuz it was over a safe temp so incase you spill it you shouldnt get burned.. the car manufactuer cuz the suspension sucks.. etc etc.. they make it too easy nowadays..
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Julie: i am not knocking your statement in anyway.. i am refering to people in general. Im glad everyone is doing better that is great news to hear! but the thing to remember is, it will be others word against the EMA.. what the comps capture on tape is thier evidence.. and unless there is substantial proof otherwise, im not sure there will be much anyone can do. like i said i was'nt there, im nowhere near, but im just passing what i know. and 15 mins to get there?? that arguement will not hold up.. i have seen worse.. had a call from people that lived 300 ft from the station and it took 20 mins to find them.. why i dont know. im not an emt or paramedic nor want to be but i was at the station when they got paged.. anyways.. good luck to you and yours, hope everything gets back to somewhat normal for you all soon! take care.
ADDED.. YOU CAN GO TO THE LOCAL 911 OFFICE AND REQUEST TO REVIEW THE TAPES OF THAT DAY IF YOU WANT..ITS YOUR RIGHT.
jim

http://jimsrc.com
11-17-2003 04:53 AM
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CJames
Elite Veteran
Location: Back in KC

Actually,
you cant sue stander-bys that help. Its called the good samaritain law. it protects people who are just trying to help in an emergancy situation.
11-17-2003 04:53 AM
 
 
imback
Senior Heliman
Location: las vegas, nevada

tragedy

the recent events are unfortunate. more so for those involved than those who do not know the people. it is also unfortunate for the hobby. on the positive side, there are few serious injuries in our hobby.

whether the family attempts to pursue a claim is beyond the control of all of us. we will feel the affects. however, there is no benefit in pointing fingers at the pilot, the paramedics or anyone else.

i am certain that julie presented the post to inform all of those on runryder who knew the parties involved that further tragedy had been eliminated.

i would suggest that this thread close, as it can reslut in no benefit to anyone.

nels

just do it!
11-17-2003 05:00 AM
 
 
Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Julie, Billy and Scott,
Blessed you all and your prayers answered, hope all of us can learned from this unfortunate event and try not to get too complacement about RC Helicopters Safety. Hopefully will carry on Ron's dream of flying RC Helicopter. I would think Billy would be grateful be a safety officer at the club, and helped others watching out for each others safety.

Regards,
Naomi

Naomi
11-17-2003 05:02 AM
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Jim C
Veteran
Location: Indiana, PA

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i am certain that julie presented the post to inform all of those on runryder who knew the parties involved that further tragedy had been eliminated
i concur..

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i would suggest that this thread close, as it can reslut in no benefit to anyone.
i disagree.. as long as it doesnt resort to finger pointing there is no harm in it being open, this is between the familys on what action to take and it SHOULD NOT come to finger pointing with the internet "lawyers" suggestions should be welcome to help think of other options but as it is right now..there is no one to blame..

jim

http://jimsrc.com
11-17-2003 05:07 AM
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Naomi
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

I second to Jim

Naomi
11-17-2003 05:11 AM
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Optech
Key Veteran
Location: Vista/Oceanside, CA.

Unfortunate as the whole incident is, If someone dropped the ball, It needs to brought to light. If there is that serious of a problem with the system then it needs to be found and eliminated. If that means someone is trying to cover something up then that head needs to roll.

I think an insult to Rons (and all parties involved) tragedy, would be that the failure in that system gets swept under the carpet... ONLY TO HAPPEN AGAIN. I would imagine that nobody involved in the response services can even remember Ron's name by now much less carry any emotional attachment enough to root out a problem.

And lets get real here... We're not talking about Joe Jobless slipping on a Wally-Mart floor then suing. We're possibly talking about the DEATH of an individual that might have been prevented with prompt medical attention.

If it takes a lawsuit then so be it. I wouldn't advocate that but in no way, if I thought there was a discrepency, would I "let it go". Maybe a lawsuit doesn't have to happen if enough people hear about it and someone gets scared enough to fix the problem.

Mike

Viva La Airtronics!
11-17-2003 05:38 AM
 
 
Xtreme Heli
Senior Heliman
Location: Texas

Are the jugular vein and cartoid vein critical for staying alive? I 'm no doctor but if these 2 are severed, wouldn't that be instant death?
11-17-2003 06:05 AM
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Indrid
Key Veteran
Location: Hamburg, NY

when your jugular is nicked you start bleeding profusely... if it isnt sealed up quickly you bleed to death.
11-17-2003 06:19 AM
 
 
Stet
Elite Veteran
Location: Long Beach CA

Julie:

If it is any small consolation, our club held a meeting this weekend and discussed this tragedy. This event gave all the members a clearer perspective, and the officers more support to enforce the guidelines.

The members now show a much greater respect for what is asked of them, and a new atmosphere of cooperation has emerged. We revised and redistributed our rules, with unanimous support for more stringent requirements of distance and flightline management.

I believe this has happened at most, if not all of the clubs. It could have happened anywhere, and to any one of us.

We all hope fortunes will turn now, and all of the ramifications will end soon, so you can go on living the lives you had before all this transpired.

Good luck, hang in there. We all have the best wishes for yours and Ron's families.
11-17-2003 09:03 AM
 
 
sweetP
Senior Heliman
Location: Sarasota,Florida

More information please.

Please collect this information and post.

What was the location of the responding EMS crew from the scene in miles? How long did it take for Dispatch to dispatch the call? What time did the responding crew acknowlege the call?
What time did the crew go enroute to your scene? What time did the crew arrive on scene? When did the crew arrive at the victim? Did the responding crew encounter any delays (traffic, weather, road construction)?
You will need all of this information to draw the big picture. The time of dispatch, and time on scene is like looking through a drinking straw at a wall mural.

What was my tag line? AMA 139721
11-17-2003 01:30 PM
 
 
RICK S.
Senior Heliman
Location: Lafayette,La

I'm speechless!



Rick S.
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11-17-2003 02:14 PM
 
 
w.pasman
Elite Veteran
Location: Netherlands

I'm a bit amazed why people here start shouting sue and legal issues. Do you really think Julie Billy and Scott are after that?

I think they want to know why did not get the help they asked for. And why the information they get seems misleading.

Julie I think you have to budc's way to learn this. But I don't see the need for his shouting approach. Good luck, I think they will help you if you approach them sincere.
11-17-2003 03:13 PM
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Jim C
Veteran
Location: Indiana, PA

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Julie I think you have to budc's way to learn this. But I don't see the need for his shouting approach. Good luck, I think they will help you if you approach them sincere.
what are you talking about man?? ya lost me.. if your refering to the all caps, i just added it later cuz i forgot it.i was in no means shouting.. just wanted to fill them in on that option...

jim

http://jimsrc.com
11-17-2003 03:28 PM
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CJames
Elite Veteran
Location: Back in KC

Julie, I hope it all works out for you guys.
11-17-2003 05:37 PM
 
 
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