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Thunder Tiger Raptors 30-90 - Imperio > I hate my TT 60 it sucks!
 
 
captain crash
Senior Heliman
Location: wirral uk

Hay crapdotcom. The only problem with the Raptor is the builder/setterupper. A crap tradesmen allways blame there tools. I will be glad when you get a x cell, so I do not have to read any more CRAP from you.
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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dwaynet
Senior Heliman
Location: Fairfax, Virginia

refer to my above post.
Dwayne
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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Michigan PI
Senior Heliman
Location: St Clair Shores, MI

Why attack me??!!?!!
For one, it is not my responsibility nor my desire to hunt down the 'unhappy campers'.
Second, I have NEVER refused to help ANYONE. My contact info is listed and I gladly help all that contact me. I don't recall you ever calling or emailing me as other people have.

I know nothing about a fan installer (I use a toothbrush in the crank port or with my YS, I wrap leather around the aluminum hub and grip it with channel locks). I have several STOCK fans mounted on various motors including two of the original warped fans and although they are ugly, have not had a problem with any of them. Since I am not privvy to your particular fan problem, I can't comment on it but I do know that if the plastic fan itself is being held whilst tightening the crank nut, the plastic can very well become stressed. Usually, with a 60 size fan, when this is done, you end up with a couple of broken fins in your hand. CHAD, I do not have an expense account with Ace, nor can I send you or anyone else free upgrade parts. If you have a defective fan, send it to the distributor and it will be replaced.
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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Heli-Driver
Elite Veteran
Location: Arlington, TX

A reminder to Capt. Crash

please read this link that Mark posted:

http://www.runryder.com/showtopic.h...72&topicid=1367



Raymond

Predator Gasser SE/231 X 2
Century Helicopters
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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rsilvers
Senior Heliman
Location: Marshfield, MA

I still don't understand chaddotcom listing "blade chordwise CG out of balance" as a defect. Even if I bought $125 carbon fiber blades I would expect them to need chordwise and lengthwise balance done to them. I would never complain about Raptor wood blades being out of balance unless they were so out of balance that they could not be balanced.
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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sluggo
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener Ont

Maybe I shouldn't say this but I have heard stories like this from other people that have bought ARF kits not just TT either. People that don't have the knowledge or the help in there area to help them with setup. A model helicopter is only as good as its builder and pilot. A prebuilt heli in my books needs just as much attention as a kit forum heli. Every bolt and nut needs to be checked and rechecked.

My R60 has been perfect right from the start but I checked everything over and over before I ever even but fuel in it. All heli's have their good and bad but it is how you deal with it that makes the big difference

I really wish chaddotcom the best with whatever heli he choices to buy next.

Chris
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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Waldo
Veteran
Location: Middle of the corn patch (Iowa)

I think he was just venting and therefore listing everything he could think of that was wrong, I would only use the wood blades for hovering and then only at a reduced head speed, and hopefully at a safe distance from my-self.
When I lost the muffler on my R-60 I was pretty upset too but I did not post a scathing letter on a major message board, I simply contacted Ace sent in the broken muffler and the next week I received a new muffler and crash kit, it would have been nice if they would have replaced my Vblades but I understand why they didn't. I have to take the biggest share of the blame when it comes to the muffler, if I had inspected it like I should have before flying I would have seen the crack and never would have flown it and of course never crashed.
03-27-2002 Over year old.
 
 
PHI flyer
Senior Heliman
Location: Bowie, Maryland

Do you think it was a coincidence that you replaced your tail shaft and then you lost your tail rotor in flight? Or maybe you just forgot to put some locktite somewhere. You cantblame the heli for that. I have done it and we all probably have made stupid mistakes in building. I forgot to put a screw in a servo horn once and guess what happened. I know you want to call it a piece of **** when that happens but whos fault is it really.
03-27-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Bill Pineda=chaddotcom
Senior Heliman
Location: Living in the moment

Stop replying to this post. All of you think that a havent sent this thing up correctly.
I ve been in this sport for 2 years now. The only reason i bought an ARF is because i didnt have the time to build it from kit form. I did make contact with jeff last november. He said that this would be the last time he took care of my problem. Yes i have called alot, yes they have sent me parts. But i have replaced bad with bad. The fans i got were never balanced. I had to always balance them. One of them was so bad that when i put my GV-1 magnet in i didnt have to balance it.
As for the person that posted about my tail drive being put back together wrong... its impossible to screw that up. As for pinning it.. Mayme i should have done that. Whatever they use to hold that gear in came loose.
I dont think i should have to make modifications to a manufactures part. I should be able to trust that it has gone through proper R and D.

Chad
03-28-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Michigan PI
Senior Heliman
Location: St Clair Shores, MI

I usually don't get sucked into these pi$$ing contests but Chad here is starting to spread it on a bit thick. I will start out with some quotes from Chad himself earlier in this thread:

Quote:
"If your asking the question (have I talked to Jeff D) the anwser is NO. "

And another quote complaining about the turnaround time for the engine Ace replaced:
"The reason why it blew up is because I was running it lean. "

Chad,
You have NEVER called me. By your own admission earlier in this thread you have never contacted me. Nor have I ever told you or anyone else for that matter "this will be the last timeI take care of your problem" or any words to that affect.
In the private msg you sent me last night, you indicated "Im quite unhappy about the support ive been given" right after you mentioned "i burned up that 70" and just before you wrote "It took me almost 4 months to get my tt70 back." May I also add that in a previous thread you admittatly leaned the TT70 out to the point of burning it up. It may just be me, but I don't think that too many distributors will replace failed equipment as a result of misuse or abuse. How can you be unhappy with that even if you did have to wait almost 4 months?
Try taking your new Ford or GM product into the service depatrment after driving it for 200 miles with no oil and see if they will honor the factory warantee.
Enough ranting...

Dude, I'm here to help, but if all you intend to do is be negative and bash the distributor and/or me, you will just make a bigger fool of yourself.

Support you aks? Beat this offer:

Fan balance:
Here is a problem that I know about. At the top of the fan hub, there is no chamfer on the threaded hole. This results in a missalignment of most balancing tools. To get around this, balance the fan and clutch as one assembly. You will find that straight out of the package, the balance it relatively close. It is likely that you did more damage by balancing it wrong and actually throwing the balance off.
I'll go one more just for you Chad, send me your fan and clutch along with return postage and I will balance the assembly for you.

Tail Drive:
Not impossible to screw that up. Gear retaining pins must be loctite'd in place as well as the setscrews. The gear backlash must be checked and adjusted if necessarry. Pinning of the driveshaft is optional, I haven't pinned mine and it's the original from the first shipment of January 2000.
Again just for you Chad, send me boom, forward gear housing w/ gears, shafts, bearings, etc, you tail case with shafts bearings etc,, tube drive with bearing along with return postage and I will assemble, adjust, shim if necessary, pin the driveshaft etc, for you. Send everything needed as I will not replace missing or damaged parts.

Shakes:
Likely from an imbalance in the rotor head. The head assy needs to be balanced (period). The best way I have found is to balance the blades seperately from the head assy then balance the head assy with flybar and paddles installed (minus blades) on a HiPoint balancer. This is easily done by disconnecting the links on the lower half of the swashplate and removing the mainshaft with the swash and everything above it intact. Balance the entire assembly on the HiPoint.
Once again Chad, just for you, send me the head assembly minus the blades, along with return postage, and I will balance it for you.

Wood blades:
I hate wood blades and no 60 size ship should be running them IMO. But if you just MUST run them, glue the grips as per Ace's web site. Shrink the covering being careful not to warp the blades. If the blades are warped, they can usually be straightened fairly close with a heatgun by CAREFULLY shrinking the covering to pull out the warp but if they are way out, send them back. Due to my disdain for wood blades, the offer for me to do it for you is not open for the blades.

Bearings:
I don't care what any manuufacturer claims... bearings need to be greased (period). The best way is to purchase "The Greaser" from Pete's or a shop that carries it. Properly greased bearings will last several seasons and I have yet to wear one out that has been properly greased (not including damage to main shaft or feathing shaft radial bearings as a result of a crash).

TT70 Engine
Sorry, I can't help you there as I have no first hand experience with this engine. I can however, refer you to Brent Young (he's listed also on Ace's web site). Brent has considerable experience with this engine.

If there are any other issues you are having, please let me know and I'll try to help you with them however, if you are just interested in complaining and slinging mud, you can keep it to yourself and possibly follow the fine leadership of Dwaynet.
03-28-2002 Over year old.
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flip
Heliman
Location: bethel,ct

raptur 60

chad: you may not like this post but here goes . after reading these e-mails , my thoughts are as follows. I happen to know the tech personaly and would say that his years of experiance qualify him , as a heli expert. I personaly think that your problem is experiance and not enough preventable matinance. I don't know where you live , but you are welcom to get together with me .for some set up help, my 30 years exp could rub off. ask greg at ace. I'm in ct.


phil
03-29-2002 Over year old.
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master flyer
Heliman
Location:

raptors....

raptors are junk lollol get yourself a real heli dude....
03-29-2002 Over year old.
 
 
rsilvers
Senior Heliman
Location: Marshfield, MA

You sound like a 1911 guy 10 years ago saying plastic Glocks are junk. Now even 1911 guys have a Glock or two, but still keep their 1911 for special occasions. I am sure there are many X-Cell guys with a Raptor as a backup.
03-29-2002 Over year old.
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CDH
Heliman
Location: Kansas City MO

I hate to say it guys but I think maybe he just got a lemon.Every manufacture has them? Living here not far from ACE's old headquarters and racing 1/8 scales with a lot of the factory guys.I have to say I will never own a TT product.They are the cheapest and worst quality I have every seen.They cut every corner,but its hard to believe that someone could have this many problems.The Rep is offering to help set it up but will that take care of it? Maybe they should just give him his money back and he can purchase something else. There happy and he would be happy!
03-29-2002 Over year old.
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rsilvers
Senior Heliman
Location: Marshfield, MA

Once in a while someone says "I flew my TT Raptor ARF and a screw came out, forcing me to crash. Since it is an ARF, they put that screw in and must have forgotten to Locktite(tm) it. So I called them every day and slammed them on the internet until they sent me a new kit."

Gimme a break. When you put your ARF together, look it over, tighten all the stuff, and think of it as you built it but with less effort.

He did not get a lemon. He claims of shakes but does not know you have to balance blades. He said he burned out the engine trying to give it more power by running it lean. He said he had to return the blades because the chordwise balance was off. You have to balance your blades -- even premium $125 ones. Anyone who would complain that their blades are defective because they were not in perfect balance loses all credibility from the very start, even if they are not a newbie because they have been doing this for 2 years.

I don't think the Raptor is low quality at all, it is a breakthrough in quality/price which has increased the reach of this hobby to more people. Besides, it is $250, and flies as well as copters that cost 3 or 4 times that 10 years ago.
03-29-2002 Over year old.
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Bill Pineda=chaddotcom
Senior Heliman
Location: Living in the moment

Hey Jeff, Your an outright LIAR. I spoke to you in november and sent the package directly to you. Talk to doug at ace. He has the letter that was directed to you. You yourself wanted to see the package. However it never got to you because of the move.

Let me tell you another thing! My package was just sitting there doing nothing for almost 4 months. No one had even looked at it. I made repeated phone calls over and over again.

I always got no he's not here. there out to lunch, oh that person is not here today. Every message i left doug was never returned except for one. Maybe youll remember that when i had talked to you I let you know that just got off the phone with eric at heliproz. Hes the one who told me to call you.

As for throwing MUD. Ive never had mechanical problems with my hirobo or JR products. What should I do just sit here and cry. NO! I will voice my opinion. Its obvious that you want to help now. But if you want to see broken parts...there in the trash.

I dont need to send you my stuff, as i am capable of setting this thing up myself. The proof is in my other machines!

Im beating a dead horse here. I will end this tread with: Once again all I have ever expierenced with this R60 is one problem after the other.

Chad
03-29-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Bill Pineda=chaddotcom
Senior Heliman
Location: Living in the moment

OOPS! Sorry jeff. The person I directed the letter to was Greg. All this time I thought it was you. Im Very Very sorry. Please accept my opoligy.


Chad
03-29-2002 Over year old.
 
 
FlyinBRicK
Heliman
Location: Hamilton NZ

this is about the most useless string ive ever seen. you owe that dude one mass as ' im sorry ' speech.

The one you gave wouldnt cut the potato if i was in Michigan PI's shoes.
03-29-2002 Over year old.
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Michigan PI
Senior Heliman
Location: St Clair Shores, MI

If you are more interesed in getting back on track than you are about complaining or bashing customer service, then take me up on my offer. If all you wish to do is complain about what a pice of crap your helicopter is and to bash Ace's customer service, then there's really nothing anybody can do since nothing will be good enough of you. I personally beleive that you DO need help and I have offered to assist and still do even after the false accusations and personal attacks. The next step is up to you, take it or leave it. Either way, one friendly word of advice, make sure you know the FACTS and have the documentation and proof to back it up before you go bashing someone on a public forum.
03-30-2002 Over year old.
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Dirt Dummy
Heliman
Location: Nottingham NH

OOPS! Sorry jeff. OOPS! Sorry jeff. OOPS! Sorry jeff. OOPS! Sorry jeff. OOPS! Sorry jeff.
03-31-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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