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Thunder Tiger Raptors 30-90 - Imperio > I hate my TT 60 it sucks!
 
 
Bill Pineda=chaddotcom
Senior Heliman
Location: Living in the moment

I have had it! I have had nothing but problems with my TT60. It was an ARF V2.
At first the blades CG was off. So i bought a pair of glass blades and sent the woodies back. At the same time I replaced the tail shaft because it was slightly bent. Then I had Multiple fan problems, Then my TT70 took a dump. (by the way... ACE didnt want to fix it, but they did), All I get out of this thing is wobbles and vibrations. Today was the killer!
My tail let go and went into a violent tail spin which was completly uncontrolable. Now all I have is a BIG PIECE OF ****!!! There is nothing left! thank got my radio gear was okay.
Does anyone think that ACE will stand behind their product? I think not!

Unhappy!



Chad

P.S. how many of you expirenced problems with your 30 size machine?

Im tired of Thunder Tiger cheap crap. I have had bearings go out and the famos woof! Mine also had the poof! Thunder tiger is denying the problem.
03-27-2002 Over year old.
 
 
rsilvers
Senior Heliman
Location: Marshfield, MA

Maybe you burned out the engine by running it too lean and Ace does not want to replace it?

No blades have a matching CG. You are supposed to balance them yourself. You must have a blade balancer to build a heli, even an ARF.
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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Bill Pineda=chaddotcom
Senior Heliman
Location: Living in the moment

Dude i have a blade balancer. Im talking about the core. it was out of balance. I know i have to balance the blades. your not talking to a newbe!
TT did fix the motor. The reason why it blew up is because I was running it lean. No matter what i did that motor had no power. My os 60 WC runs circles over it
03-27-2002 Over year old.
 
 
rsilvers
Senior Heliman
Location: Marshfield, MA

Maybe you have wobbles and vibrations because you did not balance your blades?
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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rsilvers
Senior Heliman
Location: Marshfield, MA

I just don't see why you would expect them to replace a motor that blew up because you were running it lean.
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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rsilvers
Senior Heliman
Location: Marshfield, MA

What do you mean by the core was off? Are you saying they could not be chordwise and lengthwise balanced?
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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rsilvers
Senior Heliman
Location: Marshfield, MA

So the engine had no power, and in an effort to make it have more power you ran it over 220 degrees?
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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Bill Pineda=chaddotcom
Senior Heliman
Location: Living in the moment

yes! length wise balance. I sent the blades to them and those were replaced as well

Chad
03-27-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Bill Pineda=chaddotcom
Senior Heliman
Location: Living in the moment

I dont belive the motor ever reached 200. My os 60 flies well at 175. the head is always cool to the touch.

Chad
03-27-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Bill Pineda=chaddotcom
Senior Heliman
Location: Living in the moment

sorry, not length. it was the cord that was not balanced
03-27-2002 Over year old.
 
 
rsilvers
Senior Heliman
Location: Marshfield, MA

The same way you can run out of Furys. But really, you can buy a Raptor 30 kit for $250 with all parts. That is less than the frame for other copters.
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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RaptorCop
Senior Heliman
Location: Visalia CA

Send that Rappy to me. I'll put it out of your misery for you!
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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Waldo
Veteran
Location: Middle of the corn patch (Iowa)

The Sceadu has what they call "out of track" problems we would call it the woof, they also have a tendency to eat main gears, and if you have a 50 they have been known to over heat. All of these problems have been denied by Hirobo, they have replaced the main gears but only in the new kit's. MA has been notorious for running out of parts and the way their kit's trickle into the market... well let's just say I have this mental picture of two little old ladies doing all the work. The Fury line of helicopters has had it's share of problems too, it's just not popular to bash a $700 helicopter that requires a $600 radio and $100 servo's just to fly it. As for Ace and the Raptor line all I can say is I've been very happy with them and their helicopters. My Raptor 30 (powered by OS)has not had any of the problems associtated with the line. I've flown it hundreds of times and am still using the original clutch, I've crashed it a few times and it was always less than $100 dollars to repair, and no matter what I do I can't seem to make it woof, but I know it can if it wants to but then I knew that when I bought it. My Raptor 60 (powered by OS) came with wood blades that were out of balance too, but then who would fly a 60 size heli with wood blades anyway! My Raptor 60 was built from a kit just like my Raptor 30, I took my time making sure that every thing that spun was balanced and that the gears meshed properly and was rewarded with a smooth flying helicopter. So far I have only had one problem, the TT muffler broke off while hovering 3 feet above the ground, the muffler dangled down onto the landing gear making metal to metal contact and causing the radio to glitch which in short order slammed the bird into the dirt causing much damage as you can imagine. I took the now two piece muffler and mailed it back to Ace with an explanation of what happend, the following week I had a new muffler and crash kit that came with wood blades that were out of balance, I still had to get some other items, composite blades and such, but all in all Ace took very good care of me. The moral of this story is that no matter what brand of helicopter you buy you always run the risk of getting a lemon it's just the nature of the beast, helicopters require a lot of attention think of them as 1000 parts desperatley trying to get away from each other.
03-27-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Sceadu1
Senior Heliman
Location: Rochester,Minnesota

Hirobo Problems

Waldo,

I think your way off with your comment about Hirobo not standing behind its products.They have upgraded or replaced any part that was proven to be faulty.Jeff at MRC goes way behond standing behind his products , just email him about a product thats broke or faulty and its in the mail at NO cost.And as far as the engine over heating problem just make or buy a cheap fan shroud extention and that problems gone. You
won't find a better flying heli on the market or better built for the PRICE.

My two cents , Jerry
03-27-2002 Over year old.
 
 
dwaynet
Senior Heliman
Location: Fairfax, Virginia

I changed my mind about replying to this thread. If you don't have something nice to say, keep quiet.

Dwayne
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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Waldo
Veteran
Location: Middle of the corn patch (Iowa)

And for me the same has been true of Ace, great service and great product, I just felt compelled to point out that Ace is no better or worse than the rest. I do question their brilliant idea to move to the west coast when they had an established base in the midwest three day's from either coast.
03-27-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Countach
Heliman
Location: Bismarck,North Dakota

I was leary about buying my Rap 60 after having had the 30 and 50,but am totally amazed at its performance and feel.I could not ask for a better machine for the money.Jason Kalbfleisch
03-27-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Bill Pineda=chaddotcom
Senior Heliman
Location: Living in the moment

Waldo. Its obvious that you havent purchased a 60 size heli yet. The fury is only 150.00 more than the raptor. (if you are to compare apples to apples) My raptor has a Futaba 601 gyro, (3) 8411 servos, and a 9202 for the throttle. My radio equipment will go into the fury with no added expense.
My original idea was that the raptor would be much cheaper to fix. And that it is!
These arre my problems thus far: Blades cord was out of CG. 70 size couldnt develop much power, (4) bad fans, (1) bad clutch, (2) bad tail drive shaft. Now because of the tail drive shaft letting go and driving itself into the ground Ive got about a 220.00 bill of TT parts and 47.00 worth of gears for my 9251 servo. amazingly enough all other radiogear was fine. That just goes to show you that 5/8 foam rubber wrapped receiver, battery, and gyro amp was worth it.
My problem is that ACE is denying all problems and wont help me out.
Hey RSILVERS why dont you try and call them yourself. It will take you a whole day of redialing just to get through. And when they do anwser, the person who you need to speek with is never there. So you leave a message, and it never gets returned! There customer service sucks.
It took 3 and half months to get my TT70 and blades back.
I know that there are some good ones out there. I had an r30 which never had a problem. as a matter of fact i still have it. Its completley worn out though. All the bearings are bad, the motor is sick, and everything is sloppy. Its probably had 50 galons through it. But I have had 2 others that both have the woof problem through 0 degrees. One of them has a OS 46 in it the other was supposed to be a back up.
So once again MY RAPTOR 60 IS A BIG PILE OF CRAP. I was never able to get it to run smooth.

If your asking the question (have I talked to Jeff D) the anwser is NO. after all my fan problems I simply requested to have the metal fan in place of it and they shot me down and to start using the proper tools. Let me tell you something JEFF! I have the fan installer. I belive its pretty stupid that i have to purchase such a tool to perform a simple task. I originally used a rubber mitt and held the aluminum hub to tighten. Thats all it should require. Admitt it. That fan has problems which contribute to lots of vibration and noise. JEFF if you want to make me happy E-mail me at chaddotcom@attbi.com.

Chad
03-27-2002 Over year old.
 
 
sluggo
Elite Veteran
Location: Kitchener Ont

Well I can't speak for the TT70 I have never flown one but as for the blades, come on they are wood blades that come with the kit. Out of every heli I have owned every pair of kit blades needed one thing or another, it is a fact of life.

As for the fan I have a V1 fan with almost 200 flights on it and no trouble. Not saying you didn't but there is more good then bad for sure.

"All I get out of this thing is wobbles and vibrations" Sounds like you have alot of balance issuses that you need to look at like, engine fan, main and tail blades, blade tracking, engine not running smooth.

As for your tail letting go what caused it? There has been warnings about pinning the ends of the tube drive. Also did you check to make sure the two pins (step 1-2-2 in the manual along with step 3-1-1) that hold the tail gears in place where tight and lock tighted?

Chris
03-27-2002 Over year old.
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Waldo
Veteran
Location: Middle of the corn patch (Iowa)

Chaddotcom,

You must not have read my post very carefully, I do have a Raptor 60 and I have dealt with Ace and had my replacement parts in a week. Granted that was last fall and I know they are going through some problems with their move, I wish they would have stayed in the Midwest. I'm sorry you've had so much trouble with yours, it sounds like you've had every thing that could go wrong go terribly wrong. I wish you luck with your next helicopter what ever that may be.
03-27-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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