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e-Minicopter Joker > Understanding the governor n pot setting
 
 
Larry
Senior Heliman
Location: SE Florida

Hey all,

I am starting to figure out how the n pot setting now works.

here is a summary.... values can be substituted in the equations as needed for different gear ratios and motor....

the 24-5 turns 435/volt of power.......

the 24-4 turns 570/volt......

What we need to do is determine where the voltage of the pack is at different times to determine the begining, middle, ending rpm range....

I am using a 10s lipo pack.. it starts at 42 volts but of course doesnt hold it.... Lets say we average 40 volts..........Im not sure if this is accurate but i will cycle the 10s4p tonight on the computer to figure this out.....


24-5 motor analysis with 25 tooth pinion....

so

40 * 435 * .80 efficiency/reserve factor == motor speed 13920


then we take the motor speed over to the next equation solving for speed motor..

13920= rotor speed *8.8


Rotor speed = 1581 maximum sustainable rpms with reserve for loading....... assuming that the voltage is 40 volts... i know we start at 42 and not sure where we average or finish off at...


Then we take the 13920 speed into the n pot equation..

tick =1+(13920-2500)/1500

=8.61 ticks on the n pot....

with this setting as long as the voltage does not go below 40 volts the controller will have no problem holding the rpms even with load........any voltage above 40 will just be reserve but the governor will hold the rpms at 1581 based on the n pot setting and the transmitter at 100% throttle....

I feel like a mathematician....

BTW Gear ratios are as follows

8.8 25 tooth
9.16 24 tooth
9.56 23 tooth

larry
10-07-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Larry
Senior Heliman
Location: SE Florida

More Governor Details......

I had some more time on my hands........I figured i would run some tests


I cycled my 10s4p 8200 thunderpower pack...

the voltage to capacity is as follows


Full 41 volt
7000 40 volt
6000 39 volt
5000 38 volt
4000 37 volt
5000 36 volt
6000 34.4 volt


average voltage around 37.8 volts.........



if i run those voltages into the motor calculations

(Voltage)( motor speed 24-4)( motor speed 24-5)

40 18240 13920
38 17328 12876
36 16416 12528


Maximum sustainable RPM Calculation Using the lipos at the following voltages

(Voltage)( 24-4 23 tooth)( 24-5 25 tooth)

40 1907 1581
38 1812 1463
36 1717 1423


*** These numbers are using the 80% factor which leaves plenty of reserve capacity in the motor for loading, the real factor may be a little higher yielding a higher rpm ratio....

After looking at this if you want the governor to truly keep even power throughout the charge of the battery the 24-5 would have to be set at 1450 rpms..... and the 24-4 would have to be set at 1750 rpms... the other option is we can play the game and up it a little and the governor will have no problem holding until the voltage drops below the threshold and then the governor will dump maximum power and obtain maximum rpms for that voltage which would be below your setting for the n threshold


Also this illustrates the true reason for the n function.. it allows us to set a specific rpm threshold as 100% on the radio and as long as it is set appropriately the governor will not be influenced by the voltage differentials of the pack.. So the key is figure your maximum desired rpms... assuming the packs allow it from a voltage perspective and you will not be influenced by voltage differentials as you fly.....

I like it.......


Larry
10-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
rcman
Veteran
Location: Logan, Utah

Very Nice infomation
Please keep it coming

David
10-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
rcman
Veteran
Location: Logan, Utah

Hey Larry
Can you post what you have set the rest of the pots to on your Gov.
Thanks
David
10-09-2003 Over year old.
 
 
JKos
Elite Veteran
Location: City of California in the state of Maryland

Larry,
You posted:

> Full 41 volt
> 7000 40 volt
> 6000 39 volt
> 5000 38 volt
> 4000 37 volt
> 5000 36 volt
> 6000 34.4 volt

Did you mean for the capacity numbers to continue going down from the 4000 and not back up as was posted? At what current did you discharge the pack? Are the voltages listed above no-load voltages or under the discharge load of x amps?

Thanks,
John
10-09-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Larry
Senior Heliman
Location: SE Florida

i am sorry typo ....

it kept going down

3000
2000

what i did was i put (1) 5s4p 8200 pack on my 636.. the maximum load is .79 volts on that size for discharge. then i took the voltage and just doubled it since it will be doubled with 2 packs for the 10s total..

The 636 doesnt go higher then .79 amps discharge on that size pack... i assume so you dont overheat the charger....

Larry
10-09-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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