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Main Discussion > What’s a good 2nd heli?

Snootch
Senior Heliman
Location: Naples, FL

This question has been asked many times before, but I really need your help here.
I’ve been flying Raptor 30 for a year now and can do most of the basic maneuvers.
I’d like to upgrade it to something bigger and more power full.
These three are my candidates: Raptor 60, Sceadu50 and Freya 60.
What do you guys think?

03-18-2002 Over year old.

Greg Takacs
Veteran
Location: Fort Worth, TX

Here is a poll that ran on the same/similar question earlier:
http://runryder.com/showtopic.htm?s=&topicid=5174

I really like the Sceadu 50. It has more power than a 60 machine with a 60 size powerplant and the maintenance/crash cost is a lot less. It sure fit my bill, your case might be different.

03-18-2002 Over year old.

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alvinrc
Veteran
Location: Mobile, AL, USA

The Sceadu50 with some 600 blades on it looks intriguing to me right now.
With an OS .50 on 30% ought to be a good power to weight ratio.

I know, other good one out there, but I kind of like the looks of the Sceadu and the layout changes from the Shuttle.

03-18-2002 Over year old.

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beedub
Senior Heliman
Location: Arlington, Tx

Snootch,

All 3 would make a good second chopper. You are about to get flooded with "get a Fury!" which is a good chopper as well. But out of the three I would go Hirobo. If you would like to keep crash cost to a minimum the Scaedu .50 is an awesome machine. You will still have to have high torque servos on the "big 3". So the radio ger will be the same as a .60 size bird. It autos well and flies fantastic. If you want a .60 I highly recommend the Freya. It is pretty inexpensive to fix and flies very well. It has many built in adjustments so It can be as stable as you want or as wild as you want. (the sceadu is the same). I do own a Sceadu .50, Freya, and Fury. I've had Raptor .30, .50. , .60 plus other birds.

With that said you will have the final say. And I'm sure you'll be happy no matter what you choose.

03-18-2002 Over year old.

tim628
Heliman
Location: Cincinnati, OH

FURY FURY FURY

"Get a Fury"

Sorry... couldnt resist

03-18-2002 Over year old.

Darkstar
Senior Heliman
Location: USA

Good 2nd Heli

Another Raptor .30, then upgrade one to .46.

Tim.

03-18-2002 Over year old.

jbrundt
Veteran
Location: St. Charles, MO

I guess it would depend on what you want and what you can afford. If you can already fly then most any heli out there would suit you. Also consider where you're going to get parts from. Do you have a local hobby shop that can support your needs. Try to look at what other fliers in your area or club are flying. Ask them how they like what they fly.

There's a big difference in a 60 size machine and a 50, like the Sceadu or even Raptor 50. The physical size has a lot to do with the perception of that. I think the 60 size machine handles the wind better and seems a bit more solid in hover. I have both a R60 and a Sceadu 46 and while I love them both I feel more comfortable with the R60 on a blustery day.

In my search for a 60 I contemplated the Freya. It's a very nice machine but my wallet could not justify it so I went with the Raptor 60. I do not regret my decision one bit. I am extremely happy with the Raptor and it is certainly more capable than I am

but when I get to that point the machine will be there for me.

Click here for my R60 experiences

Hope this helps,

Jeff

03-18-2002 Over year old.

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heliraptor
Key Veteran
Location: Colchester, Essex, UK

Simple

Been there ...done that !!!

Got the Rappie 50, now the sceadu 50, 60's cost a lot more to repair and fuel up.

Out of the 2 I rate the sceadu more, fantastic build quality, as everyone say's set of 600mm blades, OS50, if you want more power and a heli to do all the manoevres you want then the Sceadu 50 is the way to go.

Good luck

Lee

03-18-2002 Over year old.

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Lift
Elite Veteran
Location: Houston, TX

60- Fury / Otherwise Upgrade!

If you are looking at the 60 size then go straight for the Fury. I was in your shoes around Dec 2001 and so glad I skipped over the R60 and Freya. The repair costs of all three are to close to worry over. You pay a little more for the Fury but, you get more than you pay for. You won't out grow the Fury for a LONG time and Minature Aircraft supports their birds a long time. There is a reason the Fury is the top seller ya know.

Otherwise, I would upgrade that R30 to a R50 and burn more fuel.

BTW, I still have my R30 and it goes to the field EVERY time and gets flown. I am drooling over the 50 upgrade myself. The reasoning is I would like my 30 to fly closer in feel to the 60 without having to buy an entire new bird. Plus, the 50 shares tons of 30 parts which I already have!!

Don't blow your money on a 50 kit. You will wish you had bought a 60 after the new wears off.

Good luck!

03-19-2002 Over year old.

Ken B
Elite Veteran
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Been there done that...

First off, don't get a Fury as a second bird. The Fury is a fine machine I just don't think it's a good second heli. I like mine but it's a more advanced builders machine.

The Sceadu or Freya are great choices. I own both and I always have a tough time deciding which one to fly next. The Freya is a much smoother bird than the Sceadu. The Sceadu is more like a hummingbird. That little chopper hauls butt. It always depends on the mood.

Raptor 60 V2... no experence but it sounds good enough.

My upgrade path went like this:
Raptor was my first
Freya second
Shuttle SXX...Just cause
Sold Raptor... Found out how nice other machines could be

Sceadu 50 came along... WEEHA!
Sold Shuttle SXX
Won a Sceadu 30
Sold Sceadu 30
Bought Fury....

What I still own...Freya, Sceadu 50, Fury

Best thing I can suggest, if you go Freya, put an 80 or 90 in it. Fury does real good with a 60.

Oh, and despite other posts I can honestly say that the Fury is more expensive to repair than the Freya in a similar crash. Unfortunatly I have experenced it first hand. The fact is that more Freya parts survive. Like the drive train on the Freya doesn't get fried like the Fury. But that's just my experences.

Ken B

03-19-2002 Over year old.

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SemiArticulate
Veteran
Location: On Location

never mind. I posted something but realized all the info was already posted by others. Does this mean I'm off the Island?
Anyway, listen to Volkul. Thats what I do.

03-19-2002 Over year old.

Rchover
Key Veteran
Location: Helping Customers!

ROBBE

I know you were not originally considering a robbe, I think you should.
the Futura SS for under $500 is an incredable value for the buck and you can still get FuturaSE's for low $700, while they last.

you will find that these ships are the most durable ships available, yes parts cost is alittle higher but crash cost on these puppies no where comes close to the cash cost of a Fury that these guys are complaining about and mechanic failures are almost zero unlike like others.

McKoi

03-19-2002 Over year old.

jbrundt
Veteran
Location: St. Charles, MO

I have to agree with Ken. The Sceadu is a 'hummingbird' (good way of putting it Ken). With the Sceadu you just think of going to a spot with it and it goes. A machine like the Raptor 60 or Freya will give you time to think about what you're doing along the way to getting there. Wait until you are really proficient to get a Fury. You'd be better off with a Raptor 60 or Freya. I have heard the Freya is a heavier bird and can benefit with the 90 sized motor. An R60 stock, out of the box will serve you very well and allow you to do 3D or FAI. You'd be amazed how solid an R60 is in hover and then how fast you can get it in FF. I am sure from what Ken's said about his Freya that the two machines compare favorably to one another.

Keep us posted as to what you decide....

Jeff

03-19-2002 Over year old.

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kawaznic
Senior Heliman
Location: Versailles, France

2nd Heli

Hi,

On my side, i have a Raptor 50 to test new manouvers because it's cheap and easy to repair.
But my second heli is a fury expert 60. I fly it to do the manouvers that i know.
I love it because of his power. It's not a raptor or a sceadu.

My raptor 50 can do everything when i'am a little scared with the fury. i don't bother crashing it.

Nicolas

03-19-2002 Over year old.

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enraptored
Heliman
Location: Scotland

Loads of options
. had a R30 to learn on
. upgraded it to a R50
. decided I needed something bigger so went for R60
. started missing my R30 - so bought another one
. got pissed off with the R60/TT70, so stuffed a OS91 in it
smiles all round......

R30 is the toy to try new things on, R50 is the main squeeze but use the R60 when I have loads of sky to play with. Finally hapy with the R60 but will change it for a Fury/SE at the first chance

03-19-2002 Over year old.

Dave_D
Key Veteran
Location: Philippines

Try this thread and see if it helps in your decision;

http://runryder.com/showtopic.htm?s=&topicid=5345

03-19-2002 Over year old.

Ken B
Elite Veteran
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Oh my goodness... Jbrunt and Semi Articulate you give me far to much credit, thanks though.

Snootch, it's really up to you. How much money you have and which one you like the looks of. Those are the reasons that it always boils down too.

Ken B

03-19-2002 Over year old.

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Lift
Elite Veteran
Location: Houston, TX

Fury....

Ken,
I think you need more than 5 flights with the Fury to determine how it stacks up. Nothing personal but I think that as you spend more time on it you will be VERY pleased with it.

Quote
First off, don't get a Fury as a second bird. The Fury is a fine machine I just don't think it's a good second heli. I like mine but it's a more advanced builders machine.

I disagree. The Fury builds very easily. Unlike X-Cells of the past you don't need dial indicators and exotic tools to set the Fury up(although, good tools do make for a precise machine if used correctly). The manual in the kit is the best one I have seen so far. Download it form Rick's RC just to get a taste. The MA guys really know how to document their products.

As far as crash costs go just take a look at this comparison:
.http://www.runryder.com/showtopic.h...ight=comparison

Snootch,
Get what you want and fly the blades off it. There are no bad machines out. But, there are variances in VALUE. Nothing wrong with Hirobo, or TT products at all. I own a Raptor and nearly became a Freya owner. But, if you do go the 60 route I still think the Fury is currently the way to go. Alot of sponsored people seem to think so also(Todd Bennet, Json Krause, Gary Wright....

03-19-2002 Over year old.

Lift
Elite Veteran
Location: Houston, TX

BTW,

Snootch.
One more thing.

On a side note, alot of us here are very pleased with our helis. Some swear by X-Cell, some TT, Some Hirobo, Some Robbe, etc.

This is good. It means the product designers are listening to the heli public. I am no sell out to any particular brand. I fly what is providing the best features, durability, and of course considering the costs all the while. I just think at this particular point in time that the Miniature Aircraft folks have the lead.

Guys like Volkul who have actual experience with various birds are always good sources to listen to. Give Ken some time to recoup from his mishap and get some time on that Fury and I am sure he will agree about MA.

Good luck.

-Payton

PS - From now on I think I will try to stay out or heli recommendations unless directly asked.

03-19-2002 Over year old.

beedub
Senior Heliman
Location: Arlington, Tx

"PS - From now on I think I will try to stay out or heli recommendations unless directly asked."

Lift I was about to write a response to your first post but after your second, you handled it quite nicely. Your opinion is always welcomed, like everyones.

I've always liked the x-cell machines, but as far as building them, there are much easier machines out there. They did very well with the Fury, but it is not the easiest machine I have to work on,IMHO.

Again Payton, please continue to post your input. Like you I don't lay claim to any particular machine. (At least not at this time

)

Have fun guys!

03-19-2002 Over year old.

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