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Crashed? Discussion and Photos > Fury expert crash report
 
 
Hoagie1
Veteran
Location: Redmond, WA

I came out to the field pretty late yesterday to get off a flight or two. First flight was fine. Second flight, I moved to the right side of the field because another guy was hovering on the opposite side.

It was maybe 3 min into the flight I was performing a stall turn, leveling off and slowing down about 50 feet up on the right side of the field in the weeds, when I saw the tail move slowly on its own. I distinctly remember thinking, "Oh so this is what a buddy was talking about when his 'tail is blowing out'". I then moved the rudder sticks to compensate with no avail, then a second later, it goes into a medium pirouette, a second later, I hit the throttle hold, but by this time, it was going down spinning. Lost it in the tall weeds before I could flare- if I could.

I'm thinking last night, it might be power. I won't know until I take a 10X pair of loupes to all the wire connections and taken apart battery and switch pack. I'm trying to rule out FailSafe because 1) it was a brand new receiver 2) no one else is having problems. Here's my guess to what was happening...

When the tail was slowly moving on it's own, power may have been interrupted, freezing the tail servo. During this time, I had no control as the receiver is powering up, along with the gyro going through initialization. With the combination of me swishing the sticks for control and the heli moving slowly in the air during initiation, the gyro got out of initialization wacked. Andy hits the throttle hold, but there's no way to stabilize it on the way down as he doesn’t practice autorotation approaches with the tail spinning.


Damage: not too bad, although I haven't had the time to take it apart and inspect it closely. With the boom slightly cracked, I temporarily put it back into the boom holder, removed the blade stubs, bent back the flybar into a reasonably straight line- my wife didn’t even notice it was crashed when she saw it.

I was gathering parts for a second expert kit to turn into an extreme, so I have all parts and have to order minimal replacements for the extreme kit (flybar, skids). Obvious damage:

1) 9253 tail servo. These always seem to break gears. Maybe I should put a servo saver on it. :-) tail pushrods and crank survived
2) flybar. I'll have to order a new one for the extreme kit since I only have one.
3) Tailboom. I'll use the spare from the expert kit. Interestingly, the torque tube and tail supports survived
4) cracked front strut. I bought two sets on my last crash- I have a spare
5) maybe the skid. I can bend it back, if not, I'll have to take it from the extreme kit
6) Tail slider lever. I'm going to replace the tail section with a metal upgrade (two came in yesterday).
7) Blades. Back to those ol’ Mavs I have laying around.

Not so obvious damage: (guessing here)
1) main shaft, spindle. Again, I'll use the second kit's expert shafts since I bought an extreme shaft and spindle upgrade
2) Bearings. Again, I have spares due to the extreme kit upgrade (double upper bearing, third bearing block, extremem style one piece bearings block)
3) power swtich\battery pack- I'll be looking at these closely.
06-06-2003 Over year old.
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Colin D.
Senior Heliman
Location: Bellevue, WA

Andy -- that's aweful!! First me, then you? I'm glad it was my Raptor though and not my Fury though -- but at least you went the smart route and bought that spare heli for parts!! I hope you get it back together soon!

CD
06-06-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Hoagie1
Veteran
Location: Redmond, WA

Yeah, pretty frustration.

Seems like if you loose power to the 601 gyro intermittantly, proper initialization in the air is next to impossible. Pretty helpless feeling when losing control of a heli.

Perhaps it's time to get those duralites...
-Andy
06-06-2003 Over year old.
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Colin D.
Senior Heliman
Location: Bellevue, WA

Yah -- the Duralites rock -- Although I'm having a hard time figuring out the TX configuration -- But I'm working on it...
06-07-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Hoagie1
Veteran
Location: Redmond, WA

After close inspection, looks like tail rotor failure

Everything on the tail look good except that the input shaft and output tail shaft aren't meshing. The tail blades, tail grips, torque tube and delrin dogbone sockets weren't even touched - probably meaning the pinion mesh broke in a means other than a forced stop of the tail during the landing. All electronics seem fine, although I'll be replacing the battery and switch due to "destructive testing".

I plan to take apart the tailbox with an expert on hand to verify this. In the mean time, my gy601 will be working with the new extreme-stye metal tailbox that I just put together.

-Andy
06-07-2003 Over year old.
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Colin D.
Senior Heliman
Location: Bellevue, WA

Scary -- I'll be watching my tailbox closely -- I HATE mechanical failures -- don'y mind the dumb-thumbs.

CD
06-07-2003 Over year old.
 
 
vitek
Key Veteran
Location: Corvallis, OR

Sorry, I have to ask... Are you using a PCM, and if you are, do you have it set up to put the throttle to idle?

From the description of what happened, it really sounds like a gear slipping, or maybe a torque tube failure. Check the ends of the torque tube and be sure to locktite the gears and setscrews in the tail rotor case.

Travis
06-07-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Hoagie1
Veteran
Location: Redmond, WA

Yes, my PCM failsafe are all "NOR" (holding position) except for throttle, which goes to idle. I was thinking... As it was pirouetting, it was falling straight down, so I couldn't take advantage of any weathervaning on the way down. By the time i hit hold, it may have been spinning due to rotational inertia (about 20 feet up and falling by then).

I just bought GEMs - it probably won't detect failsafe, but it should detect any intermittent electrical failures.

I checked the torque tube, looks fine. I twisted the ends as hard as I could. The tailbox went together fine with red locktite on all bearing contacts except input shaft outer bearings. THere was a high spot on the gear mesh initially, but I fixed it by testing the input gear in various positions so that the high spot on one matched with the low spot on the other (an ol' gear mesh trick I learned on the little MS Hornet)

Since I stole parts from my 2nd expert kit (unassembled) + purchased extreme upgrades, some parts don't need to be ordered. Here was the damage...

Have to buy for my extreme kit to make it complete again (basically, parts common between expert and extreme):
Paddles
Skids
Flybar
tail input & output shafts - Until I open the old tailbox, I may be able to salvage
That lil piece of tubing for the spindle, if the extreme spindle upgrade didnt include it.

Don't have to buy because I have new extreme upgrade parts:
tail tube - different lengths
Top and bottom main shaft bearings - extreme has a double bearing version, and has one-piece 90deg bearing block
main shaft - extreme is longer
spindle - extreme has differnt setup

Parts I already had stocked up as spares
Metal tail upgrade - I bought two early on. One for the extreme kit and now one installed on the crashed expert
Strut - slight crack in the skid area. I may repair it
9251 gear set- I have a spare already (9253 set)
Tail gears - I heard those can wear out quickly so I bought an extra set
tail bearings - I have spares from a Boca package
Maverik blades

New parts:
GEM 2000
1800mAh JR rx battery pack
Heavyduty switch
06-08-2003 Over year old.
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donlynn
Key Veteran
Location: New Zealand

Gidday

Might be way off but I had a similar failure on my raptor,
the tail pushrod guide had slid right foward on the boom and jammed the coupler in the forward position, dam. Now I wrap the boom with a cable tie.

Regards Don
06-08-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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