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Radio - Servo - Gyro - Gov - Batt > ATVs and Servo Horns
 
 
butch r
Senior Heliman
Location: Alma, Kansas

Hello everyone, when mounting your linkage to the servo horn which is better, mounting it close to the center of the wheel and using ATVs of say, 140 or mounting them further away from center and using ATVs of say, 75? Is servo resolution (I don't know if this is the proper term) affected when using extreme ATV adjustments. I have always heard that ideally you want 100%. It seems to me that if you were running 140% that steps between stick movement would be greater or servo movement would not be so precise. If you can't run 100% and have to go above or below is there a prefered direction, mount your link closer to the center of the servo horn and run 140% or mount it further and run 75%? Or maybe with the new radios it dosn't matter? Thank you for your time.
10-21-2001 Over year old.
 
 
Ken B
Elite Veteran
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Play with it

Before I start, ATV's of 100 are best on flight controls. For throttle I try to get down to the 60's

This gives you the ability to go one side or the other or 100 to get things just right. This is most previlent when you are getting your cyclic to pitch settings right.

For instance. Move your TX stick to top right corner. Rotate your head in circles. Does it bind? If yes you drop the ATV on the servo that is binding.

If what you are looking to do is make your machine less responcive use your EXPO settings to tame it down.

Ken B
10-21-2001 Over year old.
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DangerousDick
Veteran
Location: Cheshire, England

Speed comes into the equation somewhat :
Closer to the centre of the arm with an increased ATV will give a slower response, but a more acurate positional movement.
Further out to the edge of the arm with a decreased ATV will give a faster response, but a less accurate positional movement.

Of course with the advent of Digital servos the accuracy concern is taken away almost completely.

With a tail servo, you can double the speed by moving the linkage out to the edge of the arm to get a better control response from an inferior servo.

If you are using CCPM mixing (which usually equates to less servo movement overall) then the closer the link to the centre of the arm will give a more precise movement. My Tx automatically reduces the travel of the three servos to 60% which will give the best answer to combat the 'interaction' problems so the position of the link on the arm has to be far enough out to give enough pitch control to the blades.

With a throttle servo, I usually put the link as far out (and use the longest arms) from the centre as possible to give the fastest response I can get - there is rarely a torque issue to worry about and it's usually the cheapest on the heli.

Cheers
Richard.
10-21-2001 Over year old.
 
 
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Richard, as with everything else in life, this is a compromise. In general, moving the linkage towards the servo's output shaft trades speed and travel for increased torque and positioning accuracy. The opposite is also true, moving out on the servo arm trades torque for increased speed. Here's some real quick theory -

With a "1024" PCM system, you have 1024 positions or "steps" from one end of the servo's maximum travel to the other (this is with the radio's ATV set at 140%). When you change the servo's travel limits you don't lose or gain any resolution, just travel. In other words it does not compress or expand the steps, it just truncates them. With both limits set at 140% for instance, it will travel through all 1024 positions (steps). With both limits set at 100% however, it will only travel from position 146 through position 878. I have never really understood why the radio manufacturers use 0-140% instead of 0-100% (it may have something to do with mixing, or maybe they just like to complicate things!), anyway 140% actually equals 100% or maximum servo travel.

A good rule of thumb is to set-up the radio/servo at 100% then select the radius on the servo's arm that comes closest to the travel you need. After the linkage is installed, you can then fine-tune it so you get maximum travel but with no binding by using the ATV function and slightly increasing or decreasing travel.

Steve
10-21-2001 Over year old.
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butch r
Senior Heliman
Location: Alma, Kansas

MaxHeadSpeed, Once agin thanks. So what I get out of your explaination is that mounting your linkage close enough to the center of your servo horn to use 100% ATV will give more precise control for applications such as cyclic controls. While moving the linkage further out on the horn will gain you speed for applications such as throttle or rudder.
10-21-2001 Over year old.
 
 
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