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Henseleit 3DNT - Rocket - 3DMP > 3D NT Engine
 
 
duc996bp
Senior Heliman
Location: Preston, UK

What engines are available for the 3DNT?

On the Henseleit web site it says to use a OS 91 FX - HGL. + Lotterle carb. However I have noticed that "Carps" uses a OS91 SX-HGL.

Are these engines the same?

On Cyberheli's web site he is selling them with the Webra 91 engine.

Are all these engines special for the 3DNT?

John
05-18-2003 Over year old.
 
 
fraje
Heliman
Location: Gelsenkirchen, Germany

Hi John,
you can use any motor with a 8mm crank shaft. The FX should be the first choice because it has a little more power at lower rpm. That's fine for the NT ratio of 7.7.

Frank
05-18-2003 Over year old.
 
 
benben
Senior Heliman
Location: earth

I use OS 91SXH with a reversed crank.
05-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
duc996bp
Senior Heliman
Location: Preston, UK

Does a Lotterle carb have to be used regardless of the type of engine you have?
05-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
benben
Senior Heliman
Location: earth

You don't have to use the Lotterle carb. I use a OS 60K carb on it.
05-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Pascal
Senior Heliman
Location: Paris, France

You do not have to use the Lotterle carburator, but I must say it makes the tuning of the engine VERY easy, specially on the OS91 which is not so easy to tune.

One of my friend was using an OS91 on an X-Cell helicopter and he had so many troubles that he switched to an YS80.
He is now using the OS91 Cspec with better success.
The problem he encountered were all about carburator, and even with the 3 needle carburator on both the OS91 and C-spec, tuning it was a difficult compromise between mid-range power, high range power and idling.
Using it with low % of Nitro was just making the compromise more difficult to reach, not to say impossible to reach, although a lot easier with the C-spec.

With the Lotterle carburator, when you order it you specify the type of needle you want in it. The default needle is the one which works best with 12% of synthetic oil and 0 to 1% of Nitro. But there are other needles available, should you want more oil and/or more nitro.

I am using 88% methanol, 12% of micromotul, and with this fuel tuning the Lotterle carburator was a dream : follow the documentation of the carburator, done, end of it.
I might have to lean it a little more now, as it burns its 15th liter of fuel.
In Europe, High % of nitro fuel are VERY expensive, and when I compare the power the OS91 deliver at 1650 rpm against the one of a Fury with a C-spec engine and 30% nitro at 1850rpm, I see little difference. Both can flip for ever without bogging their engine.
But there are two big ones :
My fuel cost me about 2.1 Euros per liter instead of >7 Euros for him.
I can barely hear my engine when he is doing 3D not to far from my Three-Dee NT

Pascal
05-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
nicb
Heliman
Location: London, UK

Hi,
I've been using the OS 91 FX - HGL. + Lotterle carb with the standard settings per Jan for over a year now and it has never missed a beat, never been lacking power and is economical.

I figured Jan knew what he was talking about and so far he seems to have been right.

The biggest problem I've had was a melting fan shroud duct. That seems to have been cured now by fitting a fibreglass one.
05-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Carps
Veteran
Location: Caterham, Surrey, England

Doh !

My sig was wrong !!!

It is indeed an FX-HGL !!! I typed it wrong once, and then cut and paste it all over the place !!!
05-19-2003 Over year old.
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duc996bp
Senior Heliman
Location: Preston, UK

Thanks everyone.

I fully understand know.

CW or CCW engines. Are there any benifits or is it just personal preference which way you like the rotor to turn?
05-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Pascal
Senior Heliman
Location: Paris, France

About CW or CCW, it is in deed a matter of personal preference and of your own flight abilities.

You might not even noticed any longer but when you take off your heli, instinctively you send a little order to roll it right so that it hovers properly without moving to the left because of the AC rotor.

Reverse the rotor by using a CCW engine you will have to send an order to the left.
So what, will you say... this is easy.

Yes and no... specially if you fly two helicopters, one that is CW and one that is CCW.
It will become only worse if you can do complex figures, tornados, Chaos and so on, suddenly you will discover that you have problems doing them because the side effects created by the rotor direction have been reversed...

Pascal
05-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
duc996bp
Senior Heliman
Location: Preston, UK

Thanks Pascal

I thought that was the only reason, just wanted to check.
05-19-2003 Over year old.
 
 
1hander
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio, TX

CARPS

have you experienced this vibration at 1700 or up in head speed,just wondering if anyone knows exactly what is causing it. engine mixture, bent parts or cuz of the governor, ive never heard of the governor causing that, ive never had it happen i used governors on all my ships , but it could happen i guess
rick
05-20-2003 Over year old.
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Carps
Veteran
Location: Caterham, Surrey, England

No vibration for me...

... and I run 1750 on the governor in idle2. I have also tried 1800 with no issues.
The only time I ever really had vibration was running lowish RPM (<1550) with the Webra - that's how I came to realise that the Webra would be better off on the 8.3 ratio

Everyone seems to have checked the obvious parts - shafts, belt tensions, blades, etc... I really don't know what to suggest. Perhaps you are running the engine too lean ?
05-20-2003 Over year old.
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1hander
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio, TX

thanks
05-20-2003 Over year old.
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Sam
Senior Heliman
Location: Chandler, AZ, USA

Does the vibration start at 1700 rpm head speed and continue as you increase the rpm?

I am thinking it may be a natural harmonic in the 1700 range and you will not get any vibs if you drop below or go above that speed.

Also, Check that the bearing blocks are tight.

Just some thoughts - Sam
05-20-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Pascal
Senior Heliman
Location: Paris, France

Vibrations start around 1700 rpm, i tried once 1850, and stopped immediately, afraid that something could break.

I will lean the engine a little and check again over the WE.
Bearing blocks are tight.

Pascal
05-20-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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