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Main Discussion > Continuing Motor problems
 
 
FBoss
Key Veteran
Location: Aurora Indiana USA

Heres the deal. Got my radio back yesterday and got 3 flights in. 2 week downtime on the radio repair. Last flight (2 wks ago) all was fine, Power, smoke, temp, flow.

Had a motor cut out yesterday on flight 2 of 3. Autoed in ugly but walk awayable (woohoo). Pulled the glow plug, and checked it, glowed fine but replaced it with new anyway. Flew again and all went well.

All three flights yesterday had this in common. 1. could not get it to run hot (lean)landed a few times always checked the BP and clicked in on the main. 2. Pressure line popped off the tank end. Even after 30-50 sec w/o pressure line back plate was COOL. Lots of good smoke and not too much after flight slim. 3.Main tank looks like boiling water, the fuel is going nuts. Header tank looked fine.

My 11am flight this morning was going great. still could not get the back plate hot but sounded like I had very high head speed, great smoke and power, tank fuel still bubbling. landed twice to check BP temp, still cool but some temp. Last time I went in 2 clicks and up around again. Great power, good smoke, higher head speed. At one point (1-1.5 min later) It started loosing headspeed (RPMs) and power. I brought it in to a 3' hover. Longer I was up the less power I had. In the end it cut off and I autoed from that height. This time the motor was smokin' hot back plate at about 3-4 sec.. I could not see fuel in the line to the carb.

OK first. Last rebuild I got a trubalancer and used it for EVERYTHING. Other than the fuel there is no noticable vibration. I will note this. I installed a new machined clutch bell (balanced), it has NO runout in the horizontal plane BUT does runout .020" in the vertical plane. I noticed this on the orig. install and pulled it back out to check it. Bearings are seated, races are clean and the clutch does not catch, spins free. I re-installed it and of course suspect its the vibration problem now but man this heli does run very smooth.
I just removed the tank fittings and check it all out and found no problem. All the fuel line is less than a gal. old.

So other than being short fatter and poor
whats my problem(s)?

Hawk sport, os37, stock century muffler, OS8 plug, 30% cool power, sport flying.
PS EDIT ADD
I have over 75 flights on this frame. Never had a screw or nut back out but in the last 4 flights have had several back out. All points to bad vibration but that vibration doesnot present in the airframe or in flight.

The good ole times are now ,000132
10-01-2008 04:46 PM
 
 
rotormonkey
Senior Heliman
Location: Ottawa, ON - Canada

When you say the fuel tank looks like boiling water, are there lots of bubbles in it when you land, or is it just due to vibration from the running heli?

What about leaking of any kind. If you hover around for a minute with a clean bird, then come down, do you have stuff coated in oil?
10-01-2008 04:52 PM
 
 
FBoss
Key Veteran
Location: Aurora Indiana USA

Fuel in tank has large air bubbles. Yes after flight I have slime on muffler side skid (lots), boom (some). Hate the newer tank fittings, cant wire tie around tank bung but it was tight when I took it apart, tank pressure (brass) line pointing at the blades. Bubbles mostly gone at landing but very visable in flight, increase as tank empties. All lines are pretty new.
AND A NEW NOTE
P. line did not pop off on last flight.

The good ole times are now ,000132
10-01-2008 04:56 PM
 
 
zozie
Senior Heliman
Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

shoot a PM to CHEVPRO. Same heli and same motor. he just went thru the exact same thing but sorted it out. He knows his stuff.

No honey I got that used.... MAAC#73745
10-01-2008 05:41 PM
 
 
rotormonkey
Senior Heliman
Location: Ottawa, ON - Canada

Hmmm.. I'm having a similar problem right now. My exhaust came loose in flight a while ago though, so I'm pretty sure it's the exhaust gasket in my case. Maybe it'd be worth changing that.

If you have lots of oil on the exhaust side skids, sounds like it's coming from the exhaust.

Either way, I haven't confirmed that that's my issue either, as i haven't had time to replace the gasket just yet. I'll be interested to see what other folks say about it.
10-01-2008 06:37 PM
 
 
FBoss
Key Veteran
Location: Aurora Indiana USA

Just a FYI
I dont run a gasket, havent in 40 flights or so. I use very very little ATV on the parts.

The good ole times are now ,000132
10-01-2008 06:51 PM
 
 
rotormonkey
Senior Heliman
Location: Ottawa, ON - Canada

That could be the problem. Not saying it is, but from what I understand if your muffler has ever come loose it may not sit flush anymore and will either A: need a gasket or B: need to be made flush again.

I dunno.. Couldn't hurt trying right? Little peice of paper won't cost much. I've heard lots of guys use the order forms in heli mags to cut their own

That's what I'm trying next anyway.
10-01-2008 07:13 PM
 
 
FBoss
Key Veteran
Location: Aurora Indiana USA

I hear ya' I had used one and had problems makin' a good seal. On mine I cleaned and surfaced the muffler good. 'sides if I had a muffler leak Id be running real lean. Untill this last flight I had a hard time getting engine temp.........my 1pm flight was postponed due to grass cutting (bummer) going to fly here in 5mins or so.........Redid tank fittings is the only change this time around....

The good ole times are now ,000132
10-01-2008 07:24 PM
 
 
FBoss
Key Veteran
Location: Aurora Indiana USA

Post flight: Ran fine till main tank got below 1/2. That gas is really perkin' th elonger I ran the leaner it got. Started to loose power and set down. Normal T hold setting is -1.5% I had to lower it to -6% to get the clutch off. Back plate was just a tad too hot. On the bench I started looking again, and guess what I found.......
The muffler is not loose at the motor but loose at the manifold to muffler joint! Cracked. Had great smoke at all times.........Guess Ill put another muffler on and while Im at it replace that machined clutch bell.............Any other ideas guys?

The good ole times are now ,000132
10-01-2008 07:52 PM
 
 
rotormonkey
Senior Heliman
Location: Ottawa, ON - Canada

Sounds to me like you probably found the cause.
10-01-2008 08:07 PM
 
 
Silvashadow
Senior Heliman
Location: Bexley, Kent, UK

FBoss,

While you are working on the heli pull the bung out of the tank and check the pipes, both metal and neoprene. I have known the metal pipes in the tank to corrode on some Century machines. If the clunk pipe has corroded it may be sucking air below half a tank. I replace all mine with K&S 1/8" aluminium tubing. How do I know this happens??
10-01-2008 08:16 PM
 
 
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