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paintball_kidz
Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC Canada

Just woundering,

Are there any people that would be interested in getting there heli parts anodized to custom colors?

09-27-2008 07:39 AM

desulli
Senior Heliman
Location: Poplar Bluff, MO....for the time being

I would be, but what are the prices going to be like????

Learning to miss the ground one crash at a time.

09-27-2008 09:56 AM

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heli21
Senior Heliman
Location: Leroy, NY --USA-- Upstate NY

that would be cool, tho a lot of heli parts are already anodized

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09-27-2008 01:47 PM

desulli
Senior Heliman
Location: Poplar Bluff, MO....for the time being

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that would be cool, tho a lot of heli parts are already anodized

Yep, but it would be nice to be able to strip them and have them any color you want, instead of being stuck with what there is already.

Learning to miss the ground one crash at a time.

09-27-2008 02:45 PM

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paintball_kidz
Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC Canada

Pricing depends on how many pieces you want done,

and how big they are.

09-27-2008 07:31 PM

heli21
Senior Heliman
Location: Leroy, NY --USA-- Upstate NY

good point paintball kid

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09-27-2008 07:48 PM

joeb56
Heliman
Location: Newcastle,NSW - Australia

Or you can do it yourself
Here's an article on how to
Plus there are companies that sell kits and dyes or build it yourself
you can do other metals as well
Cheers
Joe

http://w3.uwyo.edu/~metal/anodizing.html

On the J curve of all things Heli, I am still going down hill, FAST

09-29-2008 04:55 AM

MaxAdventure
Senior Heliman
Location: Boulder, Colorado

not that I've done it, but here's another DIY link in addition to Joe's I've been saving to try out:
http://www.warpig.com/paintball/tec...s/anodize.shtml

-da (Max)
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issues? I have subscriptions...

09-29-2008 06:37 AM

paintball_kidz
Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC Canada

Hate to say it, but if you want to get a half-ass jobs then follow that guide.

In order to do proper anodizing with good consistant results, you need the proper dyes, and chemicals, most importantly a good power supply - Not a car battery charger.

Don't expect good results from those.

09-29-2008 06:37 AM

joeb56
Heliman
Location: Newcastle,NSW - Australia

There are lots of companies out there selling the dyes and chemicals including some relatively inexpensive kits
I have not tried the method in the article but I will as soon as I find suppliers for them in Oz cause I got my self a Sherline mill so I will have a few projects to try it on
I'll let you know
Cheers
Joe

On the J curve of all things Heli, I am still going down hill, FAST

09-29-2008 06:47 AM

paintball_kidz
Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC Canada

www.caswell.com

You can get the LCD anodizing kit for ~$325,
Don't forget that you will need a good qaulity power supply ~$250, along with battery acid, TI wire to hang the parts.

Not cheap, sometimes it is not worth it to spend money on a setup unless you are going to do it regularly.

Good luck.

09-29-2008 07:40 AM

junkpilot
Senior Heliman
Location: Alamogordo N.M.

Anodizing

Paintball kidz;
Your first post looked like a curious flyer posting but subsequent post look like you're in the business.
I have a Gold plating rig as was used on new cars to plate hood ornaments to hubcaps. I assume this would be adequit to anodize?
Junkpilot

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09-29-2008 05:38 PM

JuanRodriguez
Elite Veteran
Location: Rochester, New York

Plating and anodizing are a totally different process.

I have done the "home anodizing" thing as well and perfected it to the point of getting great results..... I wrote a "technical article" that was published in MHT a few years back.....

All that said, I very much agree with paintball (except the comment about using a battery charger as a power source)......

Getting set up to do the process PROPERLY and most importantly, to give you GOOD AND CONSISTENT results takes a LOT of time and practice....

It can be done but if you're doing it to anodize ONLY a few odd pieces on your helicopter, it is not worth the effort (and $$) You would be better off sending the pieces to someone that knows what they are doing.

Unless you're like me !! Stubborn to the point of obsessing about accomplishing the process with good results....

09-29-2008 08:45 PM

what_the_helli
Senior Heliman
Location: cookeville, tn USA

Paintball_kidz how about giving us some kind of rough idea on what a few small parts would cost to get done.. are we talking $25, $50 or $250

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09-29-2008 09:24 PM

joeb56
Heliman
Location: Newcastle,NSW - Australia

I am with you Juan
If I was worried about the cost (i am to a point) I wouldn't be in Heli's and wouldn't have bought the mill
Its about the learning experience and FUN

although I understand its an issue for some and I don't mean any offence to anyone who can't justify the expense
Cheers
Joe

On the J curve of all things Heli, I am still going down hill, FAST

09-30-2008 12:14 AM

paintball_kidz
Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC Canada

I am not in buisiness ... yet.
Sold off my heli to get started up.

Its $10 or less a part depending on how big it is, The more parts the cheaper.

Just seeing if there is really any interest here, because I know some R/c Car like to get there parts custom coloured

09-30-2008 02:37 AM

Wa11banger
Elite Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Al

I hate to be a stinger in this guys but knowing a bit about anodizing it is a loss process. To that detail all manufactured parts, especially parts that contain a press fit are oversized or sized to the point that the material lost in the prep and acceptance of dies now makes them the proper size for the tolerance required to fit well.

Removing one color or no color since "clear" is also anodized as well removes even more material then re-anodizing removes yet a little more could put your parts out of tolerance for a good fit. Especially if not done with the utmost care.

Anodizing an original is far better than removing and re-anodizing again

Just my .02
Rick

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09-30-2008 03:15 AM

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JuanRodriguez
Elite Veteran
Location: Rochester, New York

Actually...........

Anodizing ADDS material, not removes material.......

When a manufacturer that knows what they are doing (such as Bergen) manufactures their parts to be anodized, they machine the critical areas (such as where a bearing is to be a press fit) slightly OVERSIZE so that after the anodizing process takes place, the bearing will fit properly.......

So, when you take a piece that is already anodized, strip it and then re-anodize it, you should be back to square one or very close....

BUT........the longer you leave the piece in suspension during the anodize process, the more material is deposited on the piece. Which means that if left too long, the hole that the bearing is supposed to fit will be too small......There is a formula that is used to determine how long to leave a piece in suspension so that the proper amount of material is deposited to achieve the machining tolerances....

After reading Wa11banger's post again, I think we're trying to describe basically the same thing......

Bottom line, there's more to it than meets the eye....

09-30-2008 01:39 PM

charlesR
Heliman
Location: Melville L.I.

anodizing

my dad was in the anodizing business for 50 years its a dangerous procedure involving acids baths and chemical baths. The process is difficult to say the least. Just the venting of the fumes is a huge risk. He might get the color on the metal but without the proper mix of acid and current .The bite of the color will be very shallow.Also if his solution is wrong he'll degrade the metal.

Never too old to learn something new !!

09-30-2008 01:54 PM

JuanRodriguez
Elite Veteran
Location: Rochester, New York

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The bite of the color will be very shallow.Also if his solution is wrong he'll degrade the metal.

And to add to that, different GRADES of aluminum will take on the color differently..... That is why it is extremely difficult for many of the heli manufacturers to get all of their pieces on a heli perfectly matched....

I spoke with Larry Bergen about this problem a few years ago and his frustration was that the anodizers could not duplicate the exact color from one run to the next.....

09-30-2008 02:03 PM

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