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flyboycpa
Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

Hey everybody,

I'm very discouraged by the remarks by Ron (osmax2) in his efforts to show off his Jersey brain power by beating up on a poor kid who has made attempts to break into this wonderful hobby. It's sort of a "I think the kid is wrong, so now I'll make a Poll just to show you how wrong you are and how right I am!!-nah nah nah boo boo." Geez, Ron, grow up!! I started flying planes at 12 and helis at age 15, and didn't always have transportation to/from a flying field, so I flew in my front & back yard. I'm not going to completely disagree with Ron and say that it is a safe thing to do, but in this world we live, what really is?

Please forgive Ron, as he acts like he doesn't know what he speaks. You can understand, first off he lives in Jersey (he's a Yank!) , their homes many times have no yards to speak of. They don't often have many of the wide open spaces we have grown so accustom of in other parts of the country. He's just a product of his own litigous environment.

Lay off the kid, Ron. We need to encourage and mentor the kids these days, not knock them down everytime we see something we think is wrong. Not that you're in the same geographic area, but if you were, you might invite him to tag along whenever you went out to a flying field. That's what my neighbor did for me, since he always flew 1/4 scale, he would drag me along with my little Kadet-what a great mentor!

Sam Swift
02-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
tittelba
Senior Heliman
Location: Bolingbrook, IL

There are more tactful and more effective ways to educate and mentor a young heli pilot. What is a poll going to show? We’re all aware that flying a heli in a dense residential area is not safe.

Regards,
Tom

www.baltimoreboyz.us
02-17-2002 Over year old.
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cripskillz
Senior Heliman
Location: Paso Robles CA

Ahhhhhh Perfect Day For some Driveway Flyin

But its not gona be fun till the Kids come out they like to run up and stop the blades with there Tonka trucks maybe I could light there trucks on fire and drop water baloons on it from my heli Now that sounds like fun. But first I better roll around town and make sure theres no one on my channel I dont want to crash into the house unless its on purpose!!!!!

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02-17-2002 Over year old.
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flyboycpa
Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

Ron,

I'll respond to your comments in order:

First, in the case of safety, I think that you should speak up for it and "tell it like it is," just do so in not quite such a discouraging and condescending way!!

Second, I wasn't trying to "put people down," as you suggested, I was putting a PERSON down--you. I mentioned no others in my reply to you about helping or not helping others. It was aimed squarely at you .

Third, I'm sure this kid, and all those of the rest of us who have committed the sin of flying in our front yard, back yard, cul-de-sac, office parking lot, etc., have weighed the possiblities for reduced safety and its potential effects on the safety on bystanders. If the kid was successful enough to build and subsequently learn to fly this r/c heli, he probably has enough common sense to determine if he was safe or not in flying when that picture was taken. Take a look at your flying past and see if your record has been so spotless-I doubt it (and that does go for me, too.). Your assessment of "what is RIGHT" is right because it's what I think, may not always be the case. You need to look at it on a case by case basis.

Fourth, how exactly have you gotten your "balls busted" by our apparent southern practice of flying on our property? I can see how me flying in my yard is more than likely less dangerous than you flying in your yard (assuming it to be smaller), maybe you should have the discretion to not do it, but not come down on those who are able to.

Fifth, I dare say that anyone will agree to your analogies of flying an r/c heli in a cul-de-sac to such wrongs as drinking & driving, carrying a gun to school, etc. If they were anywhere close, you would hear Tom Brokaw or Dan Rather talking about it on the news. Don't even go there.

Sixth, let's look at this "Farmboy" issue. I would stack my education, grammatical, speaking abilities, and work history up against yours any day. If you remember your geography, or even watch a little TV, you'd notice that not all of Tennessee is farm. Everybody can see by your posts, that your grammar and punctuation needs a little work.

Seventh, you're exactly correct-flying and fun are great together, if not there is a major problem. You are also correct that they don't go together if public safety is in question. Yes, I did read all of the posts. On a side note, exactly how safe is it when pilots at the flying field are doing 3D at eye level, given the fact that other pilots and spectators are nearby? You know the nature of helis, all it takes is a ball link to let go, or a taildrive to go, and there's a heli in the crowd. Nobody wants to do their 3D at 200 feet, do they? It's all judgement.

Eighth, you again are correct in saying that if we see something wrong, we should point it out. I didn't say not to point it out, just do so in a more encouraging way. It's all about tact along with positive reinforcement and negative reinforcement. To answer your question-- no, I'm not "stupied" or "jus inbreeding." Check your spelling on that.

Lastly, it is great that you have hauled your share of kids to the flying field. Yes, I'm quite Swift, I also own a restored 1946 Globe Swift full scale airplane that you can see at:
http://www.napanet.net/~arbeau/swift/3760k.htm

Ron, let's not let all of our personal differences get in the way of our ultimate objectives-safely helping and encouraging the youth to continue our beloved hobby. I'm cool with all of this if you are.

Sam Swift
02-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

Safety?

OK, lets all take a big breath. Lately I have noticed that some threads are becomming too personal.(we ALL know what happened at RCO) I for one look forward to a good debate, but a debate is only a stimulating difference of opinions; we need a difference of opinion to learn and grow from the ideas of others. When things deteriorate to name calling and bad vibes it's time to say--lets agree to disagree and move on.
We have a great site here, lets all agree to not drag it down to the level of some infamous other sites. Mark has shown great patients(sp?)(Thank you Mark) with some of the more "lively" threads here as of late-that says a lot about his confidence in us to keep things civil. So, for all our enjoyment and entertainment lets not disappoint Mark or ourselves.
02-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
heliman41&1/2
Heliman
Location: Florida

It's that time of the year!

Is it cabin fever???? It seemed on RCO too that about this time of the year folks started nitpicking each other. I guess in couple of months when the snow melts and the helis are flying things will go back to normal.

Even heliman41 seems a little edgy lately too.

I don't know what I can recommend to help you guys because here in FLA we don't have that problem. It's 72 degrees here and I got 3 flights in today in my FRONT yard. hehehehe

Yep, I am wearing shorts and a teeshirt too. Neighborhood kids and parents alike come in pull up a chair and watch me fly. Sometimes passing cars stop too. I'll tell you flying in my yard is much better than listening to those whiney, sniffling plankers. Anyday.

I quit the club 2 years ago when the plankers tried to tell me I can't stand where the plank pilot stand; I must stand at the end of the runway and fly out of the pattern they fly, etc. I have flown in the park, school yard and my yard. I have just as much fun too.

You know what, I have exposed heli flying to more people this way than flying with those cranky, whiny old men at the plank field.

So in summary, I can go to the field and choose to fly in my yard.
02-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
flyboycpa
Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

End of Debate

To all,

Comments are all well received and as far as I'm concerned, the great debate is over. Happy flying to all, wherever you may choose to do it.

Sam Swift
02-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
JCadwell
Key Veteran
Location: Richland WA/ Morro Bay, CA

Wow, look what I missed. To add to this... I came home from school for the weekend, and went out to the ORV park with my dirtbike. The ORV park and the flying field share a plot, and everyone gets along. I went out to the field in full motocross gear, and started asking questions. I have had my AMA card about two months now, but have never flown at a field. There really aren't any that I know of in Spokane, so I fly at Gonzaga's soccer field, and nobody has a problem with it. I also fly out of my backyard at home. (15 acres) So I have not yet joined a club.

Anyway, I got to the field, walked into the back gate, and stood about 20 feet from pit row for perhaps 10 minutes. In this time I had two people walk right past me, not even acknowledging I was there. I finally had to walk right up to a picnic table, and start asking questions. Of the people who were at the field (perhaps 20 people) all but one appeared to be 45 or older. It turns out they don't have heli facilities, and won't let helis fly at the same time as planes. I can respect that I guess. It was just the attitude of all these old farts rubbing their immaculate planes that is a real turnoff. There was a nice guy who took the time to ask me what I flew, and chatted it up for about 10 minutes, and I appreciated that.

It seems like a lot of people wonder why young people don't get into hobbies like RC anymore... They best experience I have ever had flying was with Rotorhead taking me to his private flying field, and I really appreciated that. He took time out, was entirely encouraging, and very informative.

For the most part, trying to show up unannounced at a field and asking questions has been a real downer for me. I realize clubs might get a lot of rubberneckers, but how else do you get people in the club. I have no motivation for joining a club that I don't want to be around. There is not a social draw for me packing up and driving 20 minutes to hang out with old people who give me the evil eye for being young, into more than one hobby, or into helis. Perhaps my young punk on a dirtbike status is a turnoff, but being told I was stupid for riding motorcross by the resident heli expert at the field I visited was not a good start at developing a relationship and pulling new members in.

Flying in your front yard might be dangerous. But what are you going to be doing in your front yard? Probably not death spiral flip flop knack knack pirrouetting flipping spinning smoking twirly whirly girly smoking flap smacks. More than likely hovering, flying circles, and flying patterns. LEARNING how to fly might be more dangerous in a closed space, but just hovering or practicing like that?

I'm spent. I'm going to go hover in the backyard. Thanks for letting me moan for a while. Thanks.

Thanks, John Cadwell
02-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
SemiArticulate
Veteran
Location: On Location

As long as you follow AMA rules it does not matter where you fly. I have flown in my backyard which is in a neighborhood. I like to think I have a little common sense. I don't fly anything larger than a 30, don't fly if there are people anywhere but behind me, and often have someone watching my back. Its not 100% safe but thats why we have insurance. If we wanted to be 100% safe we would not need AMA and home owners. Our hobby would also be nothing more than drawing on cardboard with big fat safety crayons if we wanted to be 100% safe. Is it a backyard sport? Not really. But you need to look at your own skills and ability and probably what it takes to be insured by home owners and/or AMA and above all use your head. Certainly a kid should have and adult looking after him but just the fact that it is in a neighborhood does not mean that it automatically wrong.
02-17-2002 Over year old.
 
 
SemiArticulate
Veteran
Location: On Location

Oh, all this is over a corona . Just let him fly. LMH is good for the backyard, and the field for that matter.
02-18-2002 Over year old.
 
 
ed vega
Key Veteran
Location: nyc, queens

one more 02 to add.

take heed :
regarding non sanctioned places to fly.

I remember a time in my area in queens nyc when several members lost their heli's outright to the parks dept and police for blatantly flying around while children were present and very close without regard to their safety..

about 6 flyers and their machines/equipment were confiscated by a parks dept detective who was called by several scared parents..

when it comes to your house property you can do as you please, backyard flying is ok, but what if it takes off out of control and becomes a weathervane on your neighbors roof ?.

you'll have to answer , it won't have much weight when a neighbor calls the police for noise complaints either or when you do it in close proximity of other people or their property, the street is definitly off limits. you know how snooty neighbors can get..

if you didn't know kids will be attracted to the flying heli and if you do it in front they will want to get real close and eventually , you can and will get distracted so common sense prevails.

if you decide to fly in a local park playground then thats at least a $500 fine coming and risk loss of your heli , then court will follow as will be considered a nusanace violation.

some of the parks that I go to are not sanctioned by clubs and I have to use common sense all the time. don't fly near people or property , especially children and their insane soccer parents. cause they will call the police.

don't fly over the gamefields thinking your not interfering. they have permit rights of the field and you will lose the fight. they have permits, and we don't.

if you get to a place don't start flying right away as there may be a schedule event ready to take place where you parked ... wait and see whats going on first , check the freq .

if cars start pulling up around you and you don't recognise anyone then it's time to relocate futher away as you will find out soon enough that you don't want to hang around a bunch of ballplayers who crowd over everthing you do with the heli..

if you see a flyer all over the pits then issue a safty warning to them , I once had a flyer smack right into a friends car hood with a 30 as I was yelling at them not to fly so close to the car and people. what a jerk.

safety first and common sense will prevail, not the fix ! .. this is how it is in NY where our backyards are limited to a parking space.

hehe - think I added .50 here

02-18-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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