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rapidity
Heliman
Location: ohio

I've been using the MGP, but would like to run more than 3 speeds on my f3c heli with a 14mz. Does the ATG support 7.92? I'll pick one up if it does.
09-16-2008 10:24 PM
 
 
tadawson
Elite Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

Well, lets debunk the rant . . . using the G-View (similar in function to the LCD for the Multigov), you *can* set 8.7, and you *can* see EXACTLY what speeds you get . . . so your point is what again, other than you are not terribly familiar with the ATG ? ? ? ? ?

The ATG may not display all the steps for ration, but going from 8.6 to 8.8, there is a step inbetween - that's 8.7 . . . I am not at home right now, but I see no reason to believe that 7.92 would not be supported either (at least 7.9 . . . ) and suggest you check the docs on the CYE website to confirm.

Myself, I have never *NOT* used three speeds AND off, so the MG is a PITA . . . although Bob at Aerospire offered me a code build to support OFF on the spare channel, I have not taken him up on it as of yet . . .

- Tim

The more I touch electrics, the more I grow to hate them . . . .
09-16-2008 11:23 PM
 
 
tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

Oh not you again. Aerospire came forward here on RR and offered publically to change the coding of your unit to suit your custom needs at no cost and you're still bitching about them?

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so your point is what again, other than you are not terribly familiar with the ATG ? ? ? ? ?


I'm just as familiar as any other user that reads the atg manual. I didn't see a footnote stating it would require aquiring aditional hardware to work acurately on most helicopters. On which page is it?

Tony


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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."
09-17-2008 12:55 AM
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ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

I have switched to the MGP now, first on the Caliber 90, and more recently on a new Caliber 6. The system works very well, both governor/limiter and mixture control.

I have told Bob as welll as others, that I too prefer to have a propo rpm control. In contest flying, it is desirable to be able to trim your hover rpm for the conditions you're flying in, without having to rely on pre-programmed flight modes. Bob said he was willing to work this issue, but haven't heard from him in awhile.

Since the unit has a built in "stick switch" function that turns the unit off below 25% throttle input signal, I don't have a need for a dedicated OFF function. I do use all three speeds and temperature settings, since I cannot trim the rpm in real time. On the Caliber 90 I have Norm and Idle1 set for two different hovering conditions, and Idle2 for upstairs aeros. On the Cal6, I also use all three, but really only fly that bird in Idle2 for 3D or Idle1 when doing autos over and over.

A note about mixture control: This feature is NOT for new, inexperienced nitro operators. If you don't know what you are doing, you can really fry an engine with this system. I have heard some chime in that mixture controllers are only for people that can't tune an engine...that is total ignorant BS. If you don't have your engine tuned well to begin with, you can ruin an engine with a mixture controller. Likewise, a shoddy temp sensor install or servo setup will do the same. Conversely, if you have an engine that is well broken-in and tuned slightly on the rich side, the mixture controller will do wonders for your peak performance and fuel consumption. Just food for thought.


Erich

Team Kyosho Regional Field Representative
09-17-2008 01:01 AM
 
 
tadawson
Elite Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

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I'm just as familiar as any other user that reads the atg manual. I didn't see a footnote stating it would require aquiring aditional hardware to work acurately on most helicopters. On which page is it?

It's in the same notes that describe needing the LCD on the MultiGov . . . apples to apples Tony, apples to apples. There is a lot you can't do on either without the programming interface, and ulimately, no difference in the need for same on either . . .

I am sorry that you are just plain incapable of clearly seeing the greater versatility (at the expense of some simplicity) of the ATG, but frankly, thats not my problem (or that of anyone else reading this thread wanting to get opinions).

Thinking back, now that I think of it, I think you can actually do *LESS* with the MultiGov without than you can on the ATG - at least on the ATG, you can set it up standalone . . . I don't recall that being an option at all on the MultiGov . . .

Oh, and I am not "bitching" about anything, but rather trying to provide a clear view of how the two compare in my experience, since I own both. Myself, I *don't* have the relationship with Aerospire, and think I am a tad less biased on that point . . . And I never said that the MG was a bad (or less than excellent) product - I merely stated the simple FACT that it can't do three+ speeds and off, which a fair number of flyers want . . . and whether you see the need or not, is frankly irrelevant - you aren't the one seeking information . . . you will also note that I clearly stated that Bob was willing to modify the code to suit my need (and that of others) or did you fail to see that too?

- Tim

The more I touch electrics, the more I grow to hate them . . . .
09-17-2008 02:56 AM
 
 
Zaneman007
Key Veteran
Location: Texas - USA

Dude,

Ignore the pissing contest and go with the multigov. It is awesome.

I'd rather be flying
09-17-2008 03:06 AM
 
 
tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

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It's in the same notes that describe needing the LCD on the MultiGov .

Lol this is leading nowhere. The lcd is sold as a packet. The stand alone unit is only an option for people that already have one so they don't need to waste money on a second, needless lcd. Its a little different.

Do what you want. I'm actually suprised you don't have the ATG yet. At least I'm capable of saying that all govs have their strongs and weaknesses. You just insist bashing on something that 95% of the users don't need anyway and are excuseing things that do really matter (to me at least).

I'm going to bed.

Tony


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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."
09-17-2008 03:19 AM
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EZ TIGA
Heliman
Location: kona,hi,us

multigov all the way
09-17-2008 06:48 AM
 
 
tadawson
Elite Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

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I'm actually suprised you don't have the ATG yet.


? ? ?

I have owned the ATG for at least 9 months, MultiGov two for closer to 2 years, and MG Pro for six . . . .

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I don't feel I am "forgiving" anything in the ATG, since I have not found anything I cannot do with the same level of precision as the MGP with the exception of Mixture control. Speed? Correct to the last digit . . Ratio? Same . . . . What exact shortcomings (not counting the two that I have already shown to not be true) are you referring to?

I see the value of both, unlike your misperception, and feel that a pilot these days would do very well with both . . . . within the limits of the exceptions I stated, and which I won't repeat . . . I think I have been clear . . .

- Tim

The more I touch electrics, the more I grow to hate them . . . .
09-18-2008 06:33 PM
 
 
tadawson
Elite Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

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Lol this is leading nowhere. The lcd is sold as a packet. The stand alone unit is only an option for people that already have one so they don't need to waste money on a second, needless lcd. Its a little different.

Uh, how exactly? The G-View is also sold separately, for pretty much the same reasons, with the exception that you don't need one at all if you can live with the basic functionality and inability to access some advanced features without it. At no point is the G-View a "forced purchase". No, you can't buy the two as a bundle, but that hardly seems relevant . . .

? ? ?

- Tim

The more I touch electrics, the more I grow to hate them . . . .
09-18-2008 06:35 PM
 
 
Sky 5
Heliman
Location: Simpsonville, SC

I take exception to the caveman remark. Moderator!!
11-22-2008 09:41 PM
 
 
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