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LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

Talk about incompetence...

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McCain lost five U.S. Navy aircraft.
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjo...lost_five_u.htm

Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

His father John S. "Junior" McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while McCain III was being held prisoner of war. McCain III's grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

During his relative short stunt on flight status, McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

Robert Timberg, author of The Nightingale's Song, a book about Annapolis graduates and their tours in Vietnam, wrote that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn't love it."

McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom.

McCain's second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. "Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula," Timberg wrote, "he took out some power lines [reminiscent of the 1998 incident in which a Marine Corps jet sliced through the cables of a gondola at an Italian ski resort, killing 20] which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."

McCain's third crash occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game.

Timberg reported that McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" and went through standard relight procedures three times before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain landed on a deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees.

McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

McCain's fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.

After being drug from the lake, a mob gathered around McCain, spit on him, kicked him and stripped him of his clothing. He was bayoneted in his left foot and his shoulder crushed by a rifle butt. He was then transported to the Hoa Lo Prison, also known as the Hanoi Hilton.

After being periodically slapped around for "three or four days" by his captors who wanted military information, McCain called for an officer on his fourth day of captivity. He told the officer, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." -U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain.

"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant." Page 193-194, Faith of My Fathers by John McCain.

When the communists learned that McCain's father was Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., the soon-to-be commander of all U.S. Forces in the Pacific, he was rushed to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable for U.S. POWs.

The communist Vietnamese figured, because POW McCain's father was of such high military rank, that he was of royalty or the governing circle. Thereafter the communist bragged that they had captured "the crown prince."

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

"McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat," explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs -- the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. "Since McCain got 28 medals," Bell continues, "that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys -- grunts on the ground -- who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I'm sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down."

For years, McCain has been an unchecked master at manipulating an overly friendly and biased news media. The former POW turned Congressman, turned U.S. Senator, has managed to gloss over his failures as a pilot and collaborations with the enemy by exaggerating his military service and lying about his feats of heroism.

McCain has sprouted a halo and wings to become America's POW-hero presidential candidate.
08-30-2008 05:28 PM
 
 
GyroFreak
Key Veteran
Location: Florida ... 28° 50' N 81° 16' W

McCain looks and is a hero.

Sure looks like a hero to me.. What have you ever done in the way of putting your life on the line for our great country ??

By the way, your title is a slimy lie, implying McCain had caused the deaths. Look at the video, the rocket came from another plane that started the fire that caused the deaths..

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08-30-2008 05:38 PM
 
 
Dennis
Senior Heliman
Location: Orygon

Yeah right Lou.

I suppose you think that he walked into a Vietnamese prison camp to spend 5 years of torture just so that he could run for president over 40 years later.

Now I suppose you will pull out your fake video of how he was a traitor and gave military secrets to the enemy.

Pulllease

08-30-2008 05:44 PM
 
 
Dennis
Senior Heliman
Location: Orygon

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McCain is a hero.

Sure looks like a hero to me.. What have you ever done in the way of putting your life on the line for our great country ??

Better yet:

What has Obama done in the way of putting his life on the line for our great country ????

There is hardly a comparison there.
08-30-2008 05:45 PM
 
 
Hivoltage
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio

Damn, he survived 5 plane crashes!!!!! He must be a tough MF!!!!

I Dont Have No Stink'in Signature
08-30-2008 05:58 PM
 
 
GyroFreak
Key Veteran
Location: Florida ... 28° 50' N 81° 16' W

Here is the link to the video. McCain was on the receiving end of that rocket. With the fire enveloping his plane it was a wonder he even got out alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuiyXQKw3I

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08-30-2008 06:00 PM
 
 
#55
Senior Heliman
Location: Ft. Hood, TX

But loulou....have you ever been to the Navy's flight-school???

I'v been through the Army's... ( I don't think you could even begin to get accepted to either....much less graduate. )

punked out by a 20 YO!!!! BOYA.

flying 60's in the Hood
08-30-2008 06:16 PM
 
 
Justin911
Senior Heliman
Location: San Diego, CA - USA

I have a family member that personally knows and flew with McCain, and he has told me that he was a great fighter pilot... Sure he crashed a lot, but about 90% of the pilots during that time had some major problems with the aircraft at some point.
08-30-2008 07:08 PM
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Dennis
Senior Heliman
Location: Orygon

You see, a guy like Lou does not understand that if you continually attempt to destroy a guy that was a prisoner of war for 5 years, and was tortured by the enemy, that alone destroys any case you have against him.

Thats why the Obama campaign does not focus on the same. There is no political gain there. Only damage to yourself and your credibility.

Lou is just a dip sh**t.

Rip him apart any chance you get. He deserves it for this kind of stuff.

08-30-2008 08:16 PM
 
 
Salty
Elite Veteran
Location: Jville Fl...Ahhhh getting better

My dad crashed 3 times in Nam....in four years....

They lost ALOT of planes and assets...many times it was easier to push them over the side and get a new one...or they were duct taped back together and flown until they were shot down or crashed on there own...

Heck I crashed twice in one year....sometimes crap happens...

Nice spin slanted towards your views though...I aint no McCain groupie (I'm a Navy Aviator as well) But I aint no Obama fan either...and even though I dont like Obama, You gotta admit, He's been very respectful of McCain...he's got to though, he doesnt wat to be the one slamming his service when he has none.

"What the HELL was that?" Mayor of Hirshima 6 Aug 1945.
08-30-2008 08:24 PM
 
 
03fomoco
Senior Heliman
Location: Tucson AZ

Wise up

Lou, wise up, I am willing to bet you have never taken a risk on anything in your life, you have no idea of the meaning pride, honor, and service. I am guessing the attitude is what can the world do for Lou.

Just to make it through your missions and come out alive in McCain's time period is impressive. Look at WWII death rates in aviation. No one will ever swing your views and that is commendable but your views are so far left of center you need to just sell your helis and work for Rosie and be happy spreading your crap.

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08-30-2008 08:34 PM
 
 
Dennis
Senior Heliman
Location: Orygon

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Lou, wise up, I am willing to bet you have never taken a risk on anything in your life, you have no idea of the meaning pride, honor, and service. I am guessing the attitude is what can the world do for Lou.

He's probably a welfare case and needs the libs to keep him in food stamps.

08-30-2008 08:37 PM
 
 
Mutt
Key Veteran
Location: t ca usa

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He's probably a welfare case and needs the libs to keep him in food stamps.
I am sure your right with that one. He sure acts like a welfare bum.
08-30-2008 09:21 PM
 
 
Stet
Elite Veteran
Location: Long Beach CA

More like a drug addict. Where else do you see this type of attitude. It's almost clinical in it's perfect assinine execution.

Lou won't change any minds, just give them a headache while looking for the door.

keepin' it real
08-30-2008 10:03 PM
 
 
Dennis
Senior Heliman
Location: Orygon

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Lou won't change any minds, just give them a headache while looking for the door.

Ya but. We have to keep Lou around as a constant reminder of what a real screw ball is like.

08-30-2008 10:14 PM
 
 
#55
Senior Heliman
Location: Ft. Hood, TX

LOL^

flying 60's in the Hood
08-30-2008 10:16 PM
 
 
bowman
Heliman
Location: Rumson NJ

yeah man!! the title of this thread is wrong, in suggesting he had something to do with that tragic loss.

I certainly was in the right! .....( toecutter at the spot and the pit)
08-31-2008 03:14 AM
 
 
FILE IFR
Heliman
Location: Bronx, New York (little Italy)

Lou, you're a blow hard... plain and simple.

Try to work on an improvement to your thought process.
08-31-2008 04:21 AM
 
 
aristo1963
Senior Heliman
Location: goldsboro nc usa

I usually dont post,but Lou you dont know squat about the forrestal and I would personally prefer if you kept your idiotic mouth shut .To many very very good men died that day and john mccain wasnt even in the plane that it started from.And to even remotely imply that he had a part in it just seals your blind fanatacism to me.
08-31-2008 04:51 AM
 
 
GyroFreak
Key Veteran
Location: Florida ... 28° 50' N 81° 16' W

Personal message for LouInSD.

Have you ever been to the Vietnam memorial in Arlington and actually touched the wall ?
Have you ever been to a National military cemetery and looked at the rows of markers and touched them ?

I have, and I cry unashamedly for all these heroes who gave they're lives so we can have freedom.. I have friends names carved on that black wall in Arlington.

Please lou, go to a military cemetery and walk among the markers, stop and touch some and read the names and dates. There are some beautiful ones near SanDeigo. Lou, I really urge you to go. Standing among the markers and reading names will bring a peace to you that you cannot understand. It won't change your political selection but it will give you a better perspective on what these men suffered.
Please LouinSD, do it, sit next to one marker and talk to him, put some simple flowers on the marker. It really will make you a better man, you will feel more calm and a better respect for vets, both living and those that are no longer with us.

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08-31-2008 05:06 AM
 
 
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