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TJinGuy
Elite Veteran
Location: Socorro, NM - USA

I know some of you really like RADDs and others like myself find it tedious and not all that useful. So here are a few thoughts of mine.

- RADDs seemed to have been written with a larger nitro heli in mind. The 300 sized helis are so effected by the ground effect, that RADDs seems pointless for them. It is better to put TG on, get them 6" off the ground and then go from there.

- The whole part about learning how to throttle up and down is pointless. If people can't figure that part out, they don't need to be flying helis in the first place.

- The scooting it around the floor part is extremely hard for 300 sized helis. They have so little weight that they want to lean the rotors over into the ground before they move, even on slick floors.

- It is boring. 10 battery packs learning how to spin the heli up, give it slight cyclic adjustments and scoot the heli around ... really?

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This is coming from the fact that I have now helped several people learn to hover a heli. I have found that talking them through it the known trouble spots gets them in the air in 2-3 batteries. Just today I helped a guy I work with fly my King2 and after about 20min of trying, he could hover it 6in off the ground and have decent control for 10-30sec hovers. I feel that 2-3 more batteries and he will be able to hover a whole pack at 1ft off the ground in a 6ftx6ft area. We will see.

Anyhow I am just putting my thoughts down here, feel free to put yours down too.

- Chris

Variety+spice+life+supporting_paper_towel_industry=
King2+Rex450+Protos+Concept30
08-20-2008 06:32 PM
 
 
copperclad
Elite Veteran
Location: ..

hi
i learned to fly a Ikarus Piccolo with Radd's about 7 years ago , and you have to remember that helis weren't all they are now back then , like it was NMHI batteries and 3 minute flights , for the guy that has nobody to help them , and is forced to learn by themselves it was a pretty good read and a lot of help , plus back then he was a regular on the Ikarus forum , and once you learnsd to hover and posted a photo , he would issue you your wings
08-20-2008 08:16 PM
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Climax
Veteran
Location: West London, United Kingdom

I remember the Ikarus forum with fond memories, can't believe that was all so long ago!
08-20-2008 08:30 PM
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tryan02
rrProfessor
Location: Canton, Missouri

Yep I'll agree to disagree rads was the bees knees. It was for the ECO8 anyone but dougie remember those? It went through the whole setup and like others have said. At the time it was all the advice I had. I sold my ECO8 cause I couldnt afford to learn on it so I bought a BCPP Maybe The ECO wouldn't of been so expensive after all. And I havent noticed ground effect on my king like I have the TREX. Indoors is where I really notice the rex has more downthrust and hits the walls then comes back swirling into it. And as far as sliding around man the little BCPP on a hardwood floor slid all over the place. I agree with TJ that it is way too tedious and boring but in the beginning he explains that he will get you hovering without crashing. That said I skipped a few steps in radds thats for sure.

Canton MO backyard flying club
Club President
Team No funds left.
08-20-2008 10:46 PM
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DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

The ECO 8 was my RADDS I only heard about RADDS several months ago but I bet it helped alot of peoples out in it's simplicity and common sense. I have been flying with two very different heli-pilots lately and am amazed by how different the learning process is between the three of us. My thoughts are what ever works for you as an individual is good -- SIM-- RADDs - What ever, as long as you don't quit--- most guys do
08-20-2008 10:58 PM
 
 
toolman18
Key Veteran
Location: Portland, Texas

Im not quiting. Im having too much fun. I fly everyday. Its kind of a habbit now.

As for Radds.........It was a good help but i skipped a bunch of steps. Now for the toolman piros...........Helped a ton.

I will also say that RR in general lead to more flying and less rebuilding. Also a ton of much needed support.

We need video proof around here.
08-20-2008 11:49 PM
 
 
Gregor99Elite Veteran - Location: Western Wa -
To me the value of RADDs was not in the first 10 packs, its been in the last 400 packs. Regardless of your approach to learning, flying helicopters is extremely difficult. I, like many others, underestimated the steepness of the learning curve. When confronted with the challenge of basic flight, some pilots avoid the required legitimate suffering and try to eat the fruit without growing the tree.


"Neurosis is always a substitute for legitimate suffering."
- Carl Jung


I’ve really come to appreciate the crazy sounding guidance in the RADD training. It’s extreme, yes. But so is the amount of effort required to control a helicopter. The RADD training prescribes an appropriate amount of suffering to build a solid foundation on which other more complex skills can grow. The RADDs suffering is not without purpose. Sometimes the suffering is self imposed (RADD calls it punishing) or sometimes it imposed by the slow cadence of the course. But the purpose of suffering is meaningful and extends well past the first 10 batteries. Those that have cheated and denied themselves the suffering are only denying themselves a more solid foundation.



Instant gratification and expectation of pain-free success are so engrained in our society that it’s no wonder so few pick helicopters. Even fewer yet take the RADD road or follow the principles in the course. Once I began to understand what was required, I reset my expecations. Using RADDs as a foundation for a training philosophy, I started working on my long term plan using the following guiding principles.



  • Flying with purpose Every battery has purpose. Every flight has plan. Follow the flight plan and serve the purpose.

  • Crashing Loss of control, even if it doesn’t end in a crash, deserves a pause and some reflection. Land and consider what and how it happened. What missing skill, resulted in the loss of control? Take the time to find out, then practice the missing skill. Were you trying something that wasn’t in the flight plan? Were you showing off for an audience? Was it the last pack of the day that you almost didn't run? Pay attention to your weaknesses. Respect and work on them.

  • Progress Don’t move on until you are done with your current skill. I’ve tried to move on more than once, only to find out that I was not as “done” as I needed to be. The lack of mastery in one area was holding me back as I tried to move forward. Backing up and spending more tedious flights has paid dividends as I move forward.

  • Patience There are no shortcuts. Meaningful long term success takes discipline and persistent effort. Or youth, which I don’t have.


One last quote from RADDs.



You can argue with the wind or curse gravity but that won't change simple common sense. That's all it is.. One of my students once heard a “guru flyer” criticize my techniques and he answered in typical common sense with a bit of wisdom and said...”He either can't do what you ask or refuses to backup and do it right!”..




I’m not saying this applies to our group, so no offense. But I think you guys would be surprised how many pilots can do mad 3d but can’t do nose-in or a Toolman piro. There are no RC heli police. In fact there aren’t even a lot of people pressuring these pilots to go back and do it right. We are all free to do what ever want, many do. However, in 10 years how will you look upon these first few years of flying? Will it be another hobby you got bored with and moved on? Or will it be the beginning of a long and satisfying hobby?

Canton MO backyard flying club
West Coast Chapter
08-21-2008 06:00 AM
 
 
TJinGuy
Elite Veteran
Location: Socorro, NM - USA

Yeah I still don't like it

- Chris

Variety+spice+life+supporting_paper_towel_industry=
King2+Rex450+Protos+Concept30
08-21-2008 06:10 AM
 
 
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