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scatbass
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Location: Hiram, GA

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Wow, I've meet Mcdonalds employees with more education than you(no kidding). How can you become a database engineer with no formal education on the subject or certificates? Is it who you know? Did you work from the bottom up? What? I'm serious here because I'm trying to figure this out. I've gone to 10 interviews this month on entry level IT posistions only to be turned away for no formal education on it, even though I demonstrated the knowledge to do the job in the interviews.

There's a few factors involved. Who you know - yes, that can certainly help. I got my start based off of a personal connection, which ultimately led to a 3rd shift support job working for IBM back in 99. Once my foot was in the door, I worked my butt off to learn as much as I could and prove my worth. Having competent management with common sense helped a lot as well.

After putting in 6+ years there and learning a wealth of info, it was easier to prove that I had experience, as well as technical expertise as I went on interviews in related fields.

Another thing to consider is location. I don't know what the market is like where you are, but for me, moving to an area (Atlanta) with a (relatively) booming IT industry didn't hurt. If that's an option for you, don't discount it.

Someone earlier mentioned the concept of taking a lower paying job that may offer longer term potential. There is a lot to be said for this. Sometimes the value of a position is not immediately obvious.

BTW - as far as the college thing...int he spirit of full disclosure, I attended 1 semester of Community College right after high school. I dropped out due to lack of interest and drive at the time, but I still put that on my resume to this day - simply worded as "Attended such and such Community College". I'm not lying, and if asked about it would certainly disclose the full truth...but the fact of the matter is that I have never been asked.



Mike
08-19-2008 09:40 PM
 
 
SSN Pru
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Location: Massachusetts

In general, a person with an associates degree will earn more than one with only a high school diploma, a person with a bachelors will earn more than a person with an associates, a person with a masters will earn more than a person with a bachelors and someone with a phd will earn more than someone with a masters. There is a TON of data to support this.

Scatbass's situation where he has no formal education and yet is making good money is not so common anymore hence the reason a lot more people are getting a higher education.

Yet, I still see job postings that state something to the effect of "Bachelors degree required with 5 years experience or no degree and 10 years of experience. " So, there are still lots of jobs to be had making good money without any degree.

You won't be getting into an engineering job without a degree though. That, I can state with the utmost certainty!
08-19-2008 10:24 PM
 
 
scatbass
Heliman
Location: Hiram, GA

There was a good article in CNN today related to this topic -

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/work...fire/index.html



Mike
08-20-2008 02:17 PM
 
 
RappyTappy
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Location: Las Vegas, NV

Oh man, thats hillarious. More money doesn't make one happy? Evertime I get a raise (even if its tiny) I'm certainly a little happier each month with the extra money. If a million dollars was left on my doorstep with a note of 'you're great, have fun' I would be the happiest I've ever been in my life, damn straight.

Chris
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Mickey Tylo
08-20-2008 03:40 PM
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scatbass
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Location: Hiram, GA

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Oh man, thats hillarious. More money doesn't make one happy?

As a matter of fact, no...it doesn't. To think otherwise is incredibly naive. I, as well as many others in this world, have been on both sides, and I can attest that some of the truly happiest moments happened to be during periods when I had very little. More money breeds more expensive headaches - no more, no less. To look at someone like Bill Gates and think that he is happy because he has money is foolish. He is happy because he has chosen to be, and because he has that drive to succeed in life, regardless if it brings him money or not.

Spend some time learning the difference between happiness and "having fun". Believe it or not, the two are unrelated.



Mike
08-20-2008 03:46 PM
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

I know the difference between happiness and having fun and I have had large sums of money come my way before and I was happy and I even had more fun at my same job because my overall state of being was more positive.

Personally, I think it is naive to think that one can't be happy with more money. I know plenty of people who have a good amount of money now coming from less incomes and are darn happy about it and their quality of life and state of being is just more positive all around.

Chris
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Mickey Tylo
08-20-2008 03:59 PM
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Inspector Fuzz
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Location: Austin, TX. Where fat chicks succeed.

Mae West

There is an excellent quote from Mae West, regarding this topic.

I've been rich and I've been poor. Rich is better.

Argue for your limitations and sure enough, they're yours
08-20-2008 04:11 PM
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Amen to that! And if rich did make one unhappy, I'd rather be unhappy, really really really unhappy!

Chris
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Mickey Tylo
08-20-2008 04:30 PM
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scatbass
Heliman
Location: Hiram, GA

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Personally, I think it is naive to think that one can't be happy with more money.

I never said that one can not be happy with more money. I said that simply HAVING more money is NOT going to make you happy.

The same fulfillment that provides you happiness may or may not provide you more money, which is fine.

One is not a result of the other though.



Mike
08-20-2008 04:57 PM
 
 
Pistol_Pete
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Location: Tampa Bay non-Buccaneer

To me money dictates the "quality" of life, not happiness.

There is a terminology out there called the hedonic threadmill...and no, mythbusters cant touch this one.

Directly associated with the "novelty" factor...once it runs out...you're back to square one.

<><>...the lunatic is in my head...<><>
08-20-2008 05:22 PM
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Dakine
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Location: OC, Commifornia

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I never said that one can not be happy with more money. I said that simply HAVING more money is NOT going to make you happy.

But having mo money certainly helps!

I'd take good health over money any day. But since my health is good right now, I want mo money!
08-21-2008 05:49 AM
 
 
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