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Skarn
Senior Heliman
Location: Pasadena, MD

umdpru,
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30/40k may be a good starting salary in Florida or Alabama but 30k is considered near the poverty line here in Mass...

I respectfully call BS on that statement! $30k is decent ANYWHERE! Remember, we are not talking about FAMILY income, we are talking about fresh outs. I live in the DC corridor where salaries are VERY high and can personally tell you $30k is NO where near poverty! If someone cannot get by (I'm talking a single person just graduation college) on $30k, then they aren't the brightest bulb in the socket! Consdider this: The average median household income for a 4-person family in Mass. is $85,420.

Wow, I'm shocked to see some of you that feel $30k starting salary is nothing! What are you guys expecting? $50k plus for STARTING salaries? That's complelety unrealistic!

It's better to burn out than to fade away...
08-18-2008 08:50 PM
 
 
helimatt
Elite Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

Skarn, I disagree that a 40k + (nearer 50K+ for some engineering disciplines) is unrealistic. As I said, in 2000, my fellow grads in aerospace engineering from Purdue were fielding offers in that range and some higher

But yes, a single person should certainly be able to live pretty well on less in most areas. I don't think you'd have a lot of spare cash on hand though, but who knows. We were a family of five already when I graduated, but that's a different story all together. Second career and all that.

Keep it in perspective though- some machine operators I know (union) are making near double my current salary when overtime and holiday pay are factored in. Hmmm, I think I'll learn to run a grinder or multiplex.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
08-18-2008 09:12 PM
 
 
Topher
Veteran
Location: Grosse Ile, Michigan

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(union)

Damit that word makes me angry. But you are correct a good portion, like more than 15% of union factory line workers make six figures just pushing a button all day. I don't think 50k+ for a degreed ME strait out of college is too much to ask.

Get a life? How the hell do you fly a life?
08-18-2008 09:56 PM
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sincity
Veteran
Location: Pasco, WA

We just had a position filled here for a EE right out of college. He's in the $55K range. 23 years old and his first job right out of college. Little bastage! Man I knew I should have completed college. I'm above that, but it took me many more years to get there.
08-19-2008 12:10 AM
 
 
tnavressdog
Heliman
Location: AO

$30,000 would have a hard time here in the San Jose, CA area. With one bedroom apartments in the $1500/month range, it would be really hard to get by.
08-19-2008 02:29 AM
 
 
SSN Pru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

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I respectfully call BS on that statement! $30k is decent ANYWHERE! Remember, we are not talking about FAMILY income, we are talking about fresh outs. I live in the DC corridor where salaries are VERY high and can personally tell you $30k is NO where near poverty! If someone cannot get by (I'm talking a single person just graduation college) on $30k, then they aren't the brightest bulb in the socket! Consdider this: The average median household income for a 4-person family in Mass. is $85,420.

Nice try Skarn. You just can't pick out the data that serves your point of view. What exactly is a "Family of 4"? Most family's are not going to have 4 people earning an income and helping to pay the family bills. What you have obviously failed to understand is the cost of living in different areas ( or perhaps you are aware of it and conveniently neglected to include that in your argument).

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According to data released by the US Census Bureau, in 2000, the median household income was $46,947 compared to the national average of $42,148. In 2001, the median income for a family of four was $80,247 compared to the national average of $63,278. For the period 1999 to 2001, the average poverty rate was 10.2% which placed it 23rd among the 50 states and the District of Columbia ranked lowest to highest.


From: http://www.city-data.com/states/Mas...tts-Income.html

A 4 person family is likely a man, a woman, and two children. Not 4 earning individuals.

I'll say it again, a person graduating from college with a starting salary of 30k will find it difficult AT BEST to get by on. Nevermind that your salary may say 30k but after Uncle Sam takes his hands out of your pockets, you are left with substantially less.

Oh, and a starting salary north of 50k is completely realistic. My starting salary for my first job out of college was 52k.
08-19-2008 12:56 PM
 
 
Skarn
Senior Heliman
Location: Pasadena, MD

Helimat: I agree! What I meant was that starting salaries of $50k are NOT the norm, but yes, very acheivable depending on locale.

Umdpru: You obviously missed the analogy. I never said most families are families of 4, but that's how the US Census decided to show mean salaries in your area and for my example it worked.

I work for NASA and am a hiring manager in the DC area. We start fresh outs between $30-40k on average. If I were in the Florida area, it would be much less.....simple demographics.

If you truly don't think people can "get by" on $30k, you need a serious reality check and a lesson on financial planning! I'll say it again, there are MANY people even families getting by on less than $30k....yes in your area bro! Ok, so you won't be able to fly heli's and go on vacations every year or have full HD cable

Skarn

It's better to burn out than to fade away...
08-19-2008 01:28 PM
 
 
SSN Pru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

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If you truly don't think people can "get by" on $30k, you need a serious reality check and a lesson on financial planning! I'll say it again, there are MANY people even families getting by on less than $30k....yes in your area bro! Ok, so you won't be able to fly heli's and go on vacations every year or have full HD cable

Well, shoot, who doesn't want to get by without HD cable?

I never said someone couldn't get by on 30k. You can, even in my area but you will be living in poverty and barely scraping by.

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What I meant was that starting salaries of $50k are NOT the norm, but yes, very acheivable depending on locale.


I agree too that 50k salaries are not typical because most grads are not typically engineering or technical in nature. Business majors are certainly not going to command north of 50k, hell they'd be lucky to get higher than 40k fresh out of college.

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We start fresh outs between $30-40k on average.

You start engineers out on 30-40k in the DC area?
08-19-2008 01:58 PM
 
 
scatbass
Heliman
Location: Hiram, GA

An important consideration. A degree, while the "acceptable standard", is not the only method of a worthy education. Again, there are many out there who are extremely well EDUCATED, yet never set foot on a college campus.

The upside? A great education without being saddled with loans. This is not knocking a college education, just pointing out that there are alternatives.



Mike
08-19-2008 02:31 PM
 
 
SSN Pru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

The unfortunate part of your alternative educations is that employers are increasingly requiring diplomas.

I agree though that there are a large number of non-college educated people out there. They just face a large disadvantage when compared to college grads.
08-19-2008 03:48 PM
 
 
Inspector Fuzz
Veteran
Location: Austin, TX. Where fat chicks succeed.

In my town.

$40K is poverty level.
In Austin Texas, 60% of the population has graduated from college.
Most folks I know have 2 degrees.
Without a degree, in this town you can clean toilets, shovel dirt, or spread paint around with a brush.
Most of the peoople waiting tables here have bachelors degrees and many of them do it as a second job.
To survive here, on $30K, you would have to somehow live within walking distance of your job since you are not going to be able to dump $1000 a month for a ghetto apartment and have a car.

Argue for your limitations and sure enough, they're yours
08-19-2008 04:23 PM
 
 
rex450se
Heliman
Location: Independence, MO

I was reading through most of this post and what I find is odd is that I never went to college but am making much more than my classmates that did. I got into the Sheet Metal Union and am close to $100,000 in just 5 years. I work only 4 days a week and love it. I work 4-10 hour night shifts and have a 3 day weekend everyweek. I make double what a lot of my former classmates with a degree make. I have a family, was the first in my graduating class to buy a house, have 2 kids with a third on the way, and newer vehicles and am contributing the maximum to my 401k. College isn't always the best option. There are plenty of other careers out there that can provide well for you and your family without the time and expense of college.

Victor

I don't want to see another pro-union anti-union post I am just stating that it has provided very well for me and a lot of other people I know.
08-19-2008 04:36 PM
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

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Man I knew I should have completed college. I'm above that, but it took me many more years to get there.

sincity, How can you become a network engineer without any formal school or do you have specific certificates that you completed? I wish I could find a $50K(heck even just a $30K/yr) job that didn't need some formal education or training of some kind.

Chris
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Mickey Tylo
08-19-2008 05:02 PM
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SSN Pru
Elite Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

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I got into the Sheet Metal Union and am close to $100,000 in just 5 years.

You most definitely would not be making that kind of money in the same exact job if you were non-union.

I'll leave my opinion of unions and the obscene amount of money their members make at that!
08-19-2008 05:16 PM
 
 
Topher
Veteran
Location: Grosse Ile, Michigan

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I got into the Sheet Metal Union

Thats the key to a lot of peoples success. Fortunately, those kinds of jobs are disappearing and fast. One of the benefits of a global economy. I find it hard not to run over the striking union members that are picketing for their six figure salary every time contract season comes around.

Get a life? How the hell do you fly a life?
08-19-2008 05:48 PM
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scatbass
Heliman
Location: Hiram, GA

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I got into the Sheet Metal Union and am close to $100,000 in just 5 years.

You most definitely would not be making that kind of money in the same exact job if you were non-union.


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sincity, How can you become a network engineer without any formal school or do you have specific certificates that you completed?

I am neither union, nor did I go to college, nor do I have any special certifications (heck, I was gonna be a rock star!!) and I am in the 6 figure ballpark as a database engineer.

Read my previous posts about drive and what causes some people to succeed. The bottom line is that too many young people have swallowed the pill that "college is the ONLY way to succeed." Again, this is NOT knocking college, it is an observation that there are many viable alternatives. These alternatives are unfortunately discouraged by many for reasons that, IMO, exceed the scope of this post.



Mike
08-19-2008 06:00 PM
 
 
kookboy
Key Veteran
Location: Vancouver, BC -up north and Seattle, WA down south

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The pure goal of "making money" requires not an education, but a particular drive. While higher education ~generally~ correlates with higher salary, it is not an absolute. In fact, the higher salary is more likely attributed to the drive factor itself, as opposed to being a direct result of education.

Focus on what is really important to you. If it's money, great...but don't invest in a $100K education as a vehicle to get there. The education should be gotten because you truly DESIRE it. Money is relatively easy to find in all walks of life, as long as you have that drive.

Hope that makes sense.

Very well put Mike.

... But honey it was only $$$
08-19-2008 06:35 PM
 
 
Skarn
Senior Heliman
Location: Pasadena, MD

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In my town. $40K is poverty level.

LOL where do you get that from? So you are going to tell me that a SINGLE person that just graduates college or high school for that matter at age....oh say 22 making $40k a year is living at the poverty level??? LOL!

Sorry, bro, but don't think so. There are people making it comfortably at much less than that even in the San Fran area.

Here are some facts about Austin (note it's 2004 data):
According to the Texas Workforce Commission, the average hourly wage in November 2004 was $17.04. For the Austin area the average is slightly higher at $18.65 an hour with an entry level average of $8.17 an hour. Do the math!

2004: Austin Average Household Income: $64,578 (note that's average...not median. Most households have both husband and wife working now a days.

The problem is that so many people feel that if they can't get the car they want, the house they want vacation every year, buy all the toys they want, eat out all the time....they are in the poverty level!

It takes TIME to make the larger salaries! Remember, we are talking about ENTRY LEVEL salaries!

Skarn

It's better to burn out than to fade away...
08-19-2008 07:16 PM
 
 
derek533
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmond, Oklahoma

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sincity, How can you become a network engineer without any formal school or do you have specific certificates that you completed? I wish I could find a $50K(heck even just a $30K/yr) job that didn't need some formal education or training of some kind.

You can easily find a $30K even $50K job that doesn't require a formal education. You'd be surprised to know how much money you can make in sales. Heck, even back when I was working part time at Sears selling tools, there were guys who were full time making well over $30K. Some of the guys in appliances were making much more than that. Some car sales guys (I know, the stereotype sucks) make over six figures a year.

It really is all about drive as scatbass said earlier.

If I thought you weren't my friend...I just don't think I could bear it.
08-19-2008 07:20 PM
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

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I have any special certifications (heck, I was gonna be a rock star!!) and I am in the 6 figure ballpark as a database engineer.

Wow, I've meet Mcdonalds employees with more education than you(no kidding). How can you become a database engineer with no formal education on the subject or certificates? Is it who you know? Did you work from the bottom up? What? I'm serious here because I'm trying to figure this out. I've gone to 10 interviews this month on entry level IT posistions only to be turned away for no formal education on it, even though I demonstrated the knowledge to do the job in the interviews.

Chris
Xero G

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Mickey Tylo
08-19-2008 08:53 PM
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