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Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > Visited IRCHA today
 
 
MartyH
Key Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

IRCHA is only a couple hours from me so after a 21 mile morning bicycle ride, my girlfriend and I took a trip to Muncie for a couple hours. I have never been there before. Judging from what everyone said about last year, I would guess that pilot registrations were down this year. The flightline wasn't near full. There were a number of the 200ft X 200ft flight boxes with no one pitted in front of nor flying from. My girlfriend has been to IRCHA before and said she remembers there being more vendors. Anyway, it was neat to stop by and see so many heli enthusiasts all in one place. I saw three Panteras in total. Two were tucked under pit tables and one on a table but none looked imminent to fly. I saw no one wearing Audacity shirts nor did I ever find John Beech. Audacity did not have a booth as far as I could tell.

I was extremely impressed by the RJX series of helicopters as well as the new Vibes and even the Trex 700. What gorgeous machines!

We sat on the bleacher at show center for a bit and got up just before Bergen crashed one of their turbines at the feet of everyone standing in the pit area to watch it fly. THAT could have been ugly. I dont know how far everypne was kept back last year and I know they moved the line father back this year but they could do to move back just a bit more!

I saw some awesome, smooth 3D flying. THAT I can get into. Smooth and precise flips, slow rolls, etc. I can do without this "crack" stuff guys are doing or the other types of violent manuevers. Witnessed one guy smack the boom and land instantly to check it out. A quick look and he was back doing inverted autos ending in flips and rolls. That was pretty neat. It was a nice afternoon but I am thankful I didnt have to drive hours and hours to get there. I hope those of our family here that were in attendance and flew had a great weekend and I look forward to hearing from them. What happened to those red shirts you all were going to wear and where was John hiding?

Marty,
Raptors,Evos, Panteras and more
08-17-2008 02:29 AM
 
 
donthomas
Senior Heliman
Location: gibsonville, nc usa

John posted on here awhile back that he wasn't going to IRCHA this year. Had to much going on at home. I'm sure you saw many different models with features the pantera doesn't have but for what I use my pantera for, the price I pay to keep it flying, and the performance I get, It is "outclassed" by none. This is just my opinion.

Don Thomas
08-17-2008 03:17 AM
 
 
Machinehead01
Senior Heliman
Location: USA

Pantera Outclassed?

All birds would be out classed Without the High end parts that some of these show pilots get, ie servos,gyros,radios,engines on and on an on. Heres alittle known trick that I KNOW some of these guys are useing and some of the venders as well. It's something that we are told not to do because for 1 it greatly effects the long term dependability of the electronics, which could also damage the reputation of the radio company, but it is still employed none the less and 2, most of us don't have the deep pockets of a model company. Now consider this, if you were there to put your heli on display for future marketing to the public you would want your machine to perform to its very best right? So your going to put the best of whats available in it to showcase it. Can you, and would overdrive some of this stuff, like servos? Sure why not, it only has to last till the end of the run and you can change it out before the next one, whats a couple of hundred dollars compared to the hundreds of thousands in the long term. To be honest most of us will never fly their machines anywhere close to that level and therefore never even know that they may have been duped. Most model companies know this about the normal consumer. They spend large sums of money trying to find just how dumb we really are. So in MY opinion to honestly say one machine is better than another can't truly be said without taking the radio and servos out and putting the same EXACT setup in another bird. There again the model companies know this too. Most of the general public IS NOT going to do this! We are more than content to sit on our A$$ and let somebody else do the work, and then take their word for it. I saw some of the Audacity models in flight friday, by no means are they outclassed. They are a very good machine for the price and I say there isn't a better machine out there at anywhere close to the price that you can get a Pantera for. I watched some pilots tweaking their Audacity machines for better flight capabilities and then watched them fly afterwards and guess what they did fly better! Maybe we just need to take the time to tweak our birds in instead saying that some other heli flys better. Funny how we are told whats in the models for parts but never told of what voltages the servos are run at or how much nitro REALLY is in the fuel, or what mods made have been done by the company just for a show.


Thomas

I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was going to blame you!
08-17-2008 04:07 AM
 
 
kmaxphil
Heliman
Location: Prince George,B.C.-Canada

When I was looking for another nitro Price wasn't an object. In my opinion John and the rest of the audcity crew outclassed the competition with before and after sale service. Now that I have a bbc kit on the way they will scratch my itch for more power to.
08-17-2008 04:22 AM
 
 
Learn to Fly
Key Veteran
Location: Yalesville Connecticut

If you REALLY look at ANY heli, they are all pretty much the same. Doing the same function, moving a swash in different directions. To control flight.


Jeff
Believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see...
08-17-2008 01:06 PM
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Learn to Fly
Key Veteran
Location: Yalesville Connecticut

The rest is up to the pilot.


Jeff
Believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see...
08-17-2008 04:48 PM
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brown1957
Heliman
Location: Newton,ks

Jon,
Just came off a 12hr drive from IRCHA. Man your Pantera looks good.
I saw at lease six to seven of the machines. One gentleman had a booth
set up with both of your units on display. Wish I remember his name.
he really helped me allot with some questions. It really say allot about the people who believe in your machine.
08-17-2008 10:30 PM
 
 
Machinehead01
Senior Heliman
Location: USA

Man in the booth

That would be Gus or THE DUDE II here on Run Ryder. I totally agree with you, the info he gave me on friday has led to a brand new and extreme interest again in the hobby.

Thomas

I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was going to blame you!
08-18-2008 02:20 AM
 
 
J.D. Wilson
Elite Veteran
Location: Nashville, TN

Marty, come on. What are you on permanent "downer" pills? Ircha set the WORLD RECORD again, actually blew it away by a mile! 780 registered pilots. This was again the largest RC event in the entire world. Vendor row was about a 1/4 mile long. It was overwhelming. Everyone I knew was talking about how many new and up and coming companies were represented there. The flying was the best ever. Non stop entertainment and it was run in an extremely professional way.

You are entitled to your opinion and I respect how you may "view" Ircha, but we do need to speak in facts as well. I think painting a "gray" picture of the event is not productive and could keep others from attending in the future. I'm sure you wouldn't want that?

As far as outclassed (again, what the ?) the Pantera is what it is. It's a solid, reliable, affordable performer and John isn't trying to compete with the others.

If you missed Ircha or have never been, make sure you mark it on your calendar for next year. You won't be sorry!

Let your flying do the talking - don't talk about your flying
08-18-2008 02:32 AM
 
 
MartyH
Key Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

J.D.,where do you get that I'm somehow "down" on IRCHA or the hobby? I was stating some opinion and some observations that you must have taken as being a downer. They were not meant to be. I had never been t IRCHA before and was led to believe that I would be parking in East Nowhere and walking forever to get to the flightline. In fact, I parked at the end of the parked vehicles and was right at the West end of the flightline. I was led to believe that one got in line for a pilot station and waited to fly. I observed that a number of the pilot stations were not being used. Thats not an opnion, thats not being a downer, it's a statement of fact. It is also fact that I never ran across anyone wearing an Audacity shirt nor did I see a Pantera fly. Doesnt mean they were not there or that Pantera(s) did not fly. I simply didnt see either. Again,not being down, just stating my experience. I went on to say that it was a neat thing to see, that I hope our guys that were there had a great time and that I saw some great flying.
In regards to John not trying to compete with other manufacturers, are you kidding? Have you ever talked to the man? We sometimes have talked for an hour or more at a time and all we talk about is how to compete with Align or some of the others. John is a very competitive person and is hard pressed to accept the Pantera as being anything less than the best helicopter flying. I don't see fault in that. If I was selling something, I'd have to believe in it too. I dont always agree with John on some things but I do agree with his passion for sure!

Marty,
Raptors,Evos, Panteras and more
08-18-2008 03:27 AM
 
 
jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

Saturday two weeks ago Lynn and I went to the hangar with the goal of taking Sweet-E out for exercise by flying to nearby St. Augustine for breakfast. Following the preflight I clambered onto the wing and discovered I simply couldn't bring myself to make the long left leg step down into the cockpit because my right knee has to take my entire lard ass weight. My right knee, of course, is the one operated on last month. Upon our return home, I immediately called my friend Gus Petraits (we'd staged out of his place last year) to tell him how worried I was about not being able to make the trip. Long story shortened, Gus immediately told me not to worry because he and Kyle would be happy to cover our tent/booth display area. Anyway, last Thursday morning I again drove to the hangar and same thing, I still can't take my body weight with the one knee, so I knew I would be forced to scratch attending the event so I called to confirm this with Gus. As expected, Gus was not just calm, cool, and collected as always but he calmed "me" down! Attaboy Gus . . . and thanks. By the way, Sweet-E is our classic 1954 Bonanza, which we use for travel to fun flies. If you're curious, follow the link to learn more.


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
08-18-2008 03:54 AM
 
 
J.D. Wilson
Elite Veteran
Location: Nashville, TN

Marty, again, no offense but do me a favor and read this paragraph you posted:

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Judging from what everyone said about last year, I would guess that pilot registrations were down this year. The flightline wasn't near full. There were a number of the 200ft X 200ft flight boxes with no one pitted in front of nor flying from. My girlfriend has been to IRCHA before and said she remembers there being more vendors. Anyway, it was neat to stop by and see so many heli enthusiasts all in one place. I saw three Panteras in total. Two were tucked under pit tables and one on a table but none looked imminent to fly. I saw no one wearing Audacity shirts nor did I ever find John Beech. Audacity did not have a booth as far as I could tell.

That's where I got the negativity. I don't think I'm alone in my interpretation of your post. There are many incorrect facts in your statements. Attendance was up, I was there 3 days and flight lines were packed, and when they were not packed everyone was watching the demos. Audacity had a great booth early in the week. I did see people flying Panteras, not just tucked away hoping not to be seen. John just had surgery on his knee and could not make it. I'm sure he feels bad enough without it being pointed out again and again.

You are free to say what you want, but I just had to say something as you were painting a pretty negative picture of the best RC event on the planet.

To each his own. Good flying.

Let your flying do the talking - don't talk about your flying
08-18-2008 04:00 AM
 
 
MartyH
Key Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

...again, just made someobservations compared to what I was told to expect. That doesn't make me wrong and it doesnt make what I say a fact nor did I offer it as fact. I surmised that being there during the heart of the day Saturday and finding multiple flightboxes available with no one even pitted near them that this was probably not normal. It wasn't near the frantic insane place I was told to expect. Perhaps my friends were embellishing a little.

In regards to saying Panteras were tucked away hoping not to be seen, please don't put words in my mouth. I said I saw three. Two tucked under tables and one on top of a table, none imminent to fly. Again, an observation. I did not suggest people were hiding them. Don't be so defensive man. No one has been a bigger supporter of Audacity than myself over the past year. I was one of the two beta testers of the factory BBC for John. Bill being the other one. I was the first to fly the version that led to the production kit. I have spent hours on the phone with John talking about how to promote his products or just chit chatting about the manufacting difficulties since I too am in manufacturing and plastic molding.

I hope YOU will reread my post. My statements were snapshot observations made from the several hours I was there on Saturday. There were a lot of positive thigns said in that post. You chose to strip out lines and make me sound like a killjoy. J.D., dont misread any tone in this post either. It's hard to gauge that in written word. I'm not mad or anything nor do I mean any offense.

Marty,
Raptors,Evos, Panteras and more
08-18-2008 11:52 AM
 
 
brown2x2
New Heliman
Location: NEWTON.KS

OMG......... you cant be talking about this year (2008)... There was about 25 to 30 flight stations to fly from. They even had a golf cart
to get you to them if needed. Center stage was reserved for pros and
company demos. I saw nine to twelve Panteras and five tigers.....
Jon your Panteras looks great....
I will be in the market for one real soon........
Bob
08-18-2008 12:41 PM
 
 
BarracudaHockey
rrMaster
Location: Orange Park FL

Quote 
We sat on the bleacher at show center for a bit and got up just before Bergen crashed one of their turbines at the feet of everyone standing in the pit area to watch it fly. THAT could have been ugly. I dont know how far everypne was kept back last year and I know they moved the line father back this year but they could do to move back just a bit more!


Sounds a little over blown. He crashed behind the pilots at the next flight station but infront of the safety line. He also felt horrible about it.

I have his permission to post this...
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Total Blame lies with me, and I am certainly willing to take whatever heat there is. I pushed a little too hard in the "heat of the moment", but there is NO excuse for going behind the line and putting anyone in danger.

Team JR includes some very good friends and ambassadors in the hobby, and I would have been personally devastated to have hurt one of them.

In a note of Irony, On my first day at the field (Tuesday), I thought that the flight line seemed closer to the pit tents and mentioned to Dave and Charles my concern. They went out that night and moved all the flight station cones farther out.

I'm glad they did.

My apologies to all for this lack of control, and especially to the JR Team pilots.
Chris


AMA 77227
http://www.jaxrc.com
08-18-2008 06:33 PM
 
 
MartyH
Key Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

Again, it was simply on of the observations of the day. I didnt try to make it into anything it was not. He crashed behind the Team JR guys and about even to a little in front of the flock of folks who were standing around and in front of the pitted turbines watching him fly. I commented that I was glad they had previously moved the line back or perhaps someone could have been hit. "Glad", that is a positive term isn't it? I think I said, it could have been ugly. It wasnt. Everyone was safe, Chris did indeed feel terrible and everybody was cool about it. I was commenting that moving the line back was a great move, this incident bears that out. I went on to say maybe it could be moved back a tad more.

If there is one thing I have learned since Saturday it is that no one better say anything other than clear and concise statements that can only be taken as extremely glowing and positive about IRCHA. I have been jumped on and attacked in private messaging/email the likes of which I have never seen and you guys in the forums have been tough. I have learned my lesson. For now on I'm keeping my mouth shut. All I did was make observation and express opinion. I won't do it again.

Marty,
Raptors,Evos, Panteras and more
08-18-2008 07:11 PM
 
 
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