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Align T-REX 600N 700N > T-REX 700N My first build thoughts on the 700
 
 
Ray Nemovi
Veteran
Location: SAN DIEGO CA

I honestly don't understand how I was able to build 4 of these machines without any issues nor did I have to sand or grind anything. I guess I'm just that lucky. If this is a beater machine, I really would like to know what would be the main bird.

Ray N.
08-08-2008 10:32 AM
 
 
Jonty
Veteran
Location: London

Hey Nut- what 50mm rods did you pick up? Are they 600 rods or raptor rods?
08-08-2008 10:34 AM
 
 
Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

neither. 2.0mm rods made for top tech hobbies in hong kong.

I measured it tonight. with everything zeroed properly you will have the links holding on by 3.0mm each side.....mine are holding on by 7.0mm each side.

One more problem in the tail. Every thing else ok. the spacer in the tail pitch arm between the bearings is too short by a hair and it binds a bit. I am going to turn up a new one tomorrow and make it about 5 thou longer. That should make it silky smooth. It will work the way it is and after a while I could probably put the original back in but I do zero slop and zero binding from the start so I sand any spacers too long and either shim or make new spacers if they are too short.

Bolt it together and go fly....it would work fine but I dont do it that way....not in my anal nature.
08-08-2008 12:48 PM
 
 
Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

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honestly don't understand how I was able to build 4 of these machines without any issues nor did I have to sand or grind anything. I guess I'm just that lucky. If this is a beater machine, I really would like to know what would be the main bird.

Either you are lucky Ray or just not as picky as me. I'd probably say the latter. I am such a perfectionist I make myself sick!:
I'm not sponsered and not sure if you are so I'm just giving my honest customers findings.

This is my main 3D bird and I call them beaters as that what I do to them.....just not that good at 3D.....ok but not good.

I am waiting to see how it flies but my sceadu and freya flew more accurately than my 600N. Different beasts for different purposes though.
08-08-2008 12:52 PM
 
 
kirk
Veteran
Location: Thornton, Colorado

Helped a buddy build his last night. Started at 9:30 PM and we had it done sitting on the landing gear by 12AM (Have not installed electronics). Heli went together fast and was extremly easy to build. I did not have to file anything or screw with much. There are only a couple of areas where I felt they could have made improvements but nothing at all major:

1. The control ball on the tail pitch slider should have a small washer under it to help distrubute the load when the ball is tightend down and the heli is flying. I used a washer from some spare mini titan parts I had laying around.

2. All of the ball linkage ends seem to go on at a slight angle. Not sure why but its kind of anoying.

For the most part its a sweet kit and was fun to build. I did not think I would like the main shaft needing to be shimed but after messing with it a bit its a really good design idea that saves weight and keeps split collers from slipping. I also think the fan design while different is pretty cool looking.

I am anxious to get some stick time on it if my buddy will let me

Kirk
08-08-2008 05:03 PM
 
 
hotshot tony
Senior Heliman
Location: Shepherdsville, KY US

i think it was the fastest heli i ever built.

and the smoothest.

the only thing worries me, if the elevator link breaks with out a anti rotation bracket, because it don't have one. we are going to be in deep DOO DOO!!! it going to be bad. if it had one you could save it. I will be living on hopes, dreams, and promises, on that one.
freaks me out a bit. that will be the first thing i will check before every flight.

just my two cents.

Tony
08-08-2008 05:45 PM
 
 
Ray Nemovi
Veteran
Location: SAN DIEGO CA

To be honest with you guys and this is truely to help our heli people. You can choose to be picky over looks and little things but this machine will rock your world. I used to be very picky and Always had to have the best...unfortunately, I never flew the best and I had more in flight issues that was not worth the looks. I've put my flying skills on hold for a while now because of wanting the perfect heli. The 700 was made to be affordable and to perform. It is super simple to build without much thinking into it and not too many parts to maintain which makes the 700 a dream to work on. As far as performance...I'm sure you'll seen the performance of the machine in the hands of the worlds best...some may say its the pilot and I would say the pilot is only as good as his machine. To those going to IRCHA, I'd be glad to give a hand with setup or any issues because I feel that the machine can perform on the top of its class. Just come see me.

Ray N.
08-08-2008 05:48 PM
 
 
majestic12
Senior Heliman
Location: truckee, ca

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the only thing worries me, if the elevator link breaks with out a anti rotation bracket, because it don't have one. we are going to be in deep DOO DOO!!! it going to be bad. if it had one you could save it. I will be living on hopes, dreams, and promises, on that one.
freaks me out a bit. that will be the first thing i will check before every flight.
I wouldn't worry as many helis over the years have used this design.
It's been proven to work.

off the top of my head..Bergen, Hirobo, Thunder Tiger, Century, Compass just to name a few.

FURY for sale
TREX 600N PRO OS 50 HYPER-Align pipe
TREX 700N PRO OS 91 MP5
HF:STMPNGRND
08-08-2008 05:50 PM
 
 
majestic12
Senior Heliman
Location: truckee, ca

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To be honest with you guys and this is truely to help our heli people. You can choose to be picky over looks and little things but this machine will rock your world. I used to be very picky and Always had to have the best...unfortunately, I never flew the best and I had more in flight issues that was not worth the looks. I've put my flying skills on hold for a while now because of wanting the perfect heli. The 700 was made to be affordable and to perform. It is super simple to build without much thinking into it and not too many parts to maintain which makes the 700 a dream to work on. As far as performance...I'm sure you'll seen the performance of the machine in the hands of the worlds best...some may say its the pilot and I would say the pilot is only as good as his machine. To those going to IRCHA, I'd be glad to give a hand with setup or any issues because I feel that the machine can perform on the top of its class. Just come see me.

very well said Ray.

I used to be obsessive about the details on my MA birds. Now I'm not saying that is a bad thing as it's good to be mindful of the little things. But, being so 100% obsessive about having the perfect heli interferes with actually flying it...you got to leave some of that obsession available to put towards flying(or atleast be able to set that aside long enough to give the heli a workout without fearing what its going to look like on the bench later!). Since I started flying Align helis this spring my flying has progressed more in last 6 months than in the many years before combined. There is alot to be said about simple, solid design and the 700 is living proof. 10 gallons throw mine with not one problem and zero downtime...not something that I could say about any of the MA's I've owned especially since I'm flying my Aligns a 100times harder! I will probably go back to an MA machine when their 50/90 comes out and this time around I might actually have the flying skills thanks to my Trex(s) to justify my obsessive old ways. But for now I have never had this much pure fun and enjoyment of this hobby as I do right now flying a 600 and a 700...not in 15 plus years have I had this much FUN! Isn't FUN what this is all about anyways?

FURY for sale
TREX 600N PRO OS 50 HYPER-Align pipe
TREX 700N PRO OS 91 MP5
HF:STMPNGRND
08-08-2008 06:20 PM
 
 
Ray Nemovi
Veteran
Location: SAN DIEGO CA

Only reason I come here is to help and see how I can contribute to those willing and in need of support. Sometimes I get chewed out but there are those that can appreciate some good advice. Its not just this hobby that brings such negativity but it is in everyday life and society trains people to look at the bad side of things and if you notice that is true not in our hobby but all aspect of life...the downfall of humanity. It seems that all of the good qualities goes down the drain because of few minor issues that can simply be worked out. I also take blame in myself and try to change and look at things from a positive prespective. At the end...life goes on and the misery and the bull**** becomes our own baggage to carry.

Ray N.
08-08-2008 07:45 PM
 
 
BOOGIE
Key Veteran
Location: LAFAYETTE LA

I have had no issues. But you have to start the ball linkage ends STRAIT or you are screwed I screwed up the first 2 befor I realized what I had dun the rest whent in good

Team PO-BOY
08-08-2008 09:04 PM
 
 
Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

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I have had no issues. But you have to start the ball linkage ends STRAIT or you are screwed I screwed up the first 2 befor I realized what I had dun the rest whent in good

Hmmm....I hear ya but I have been a mechanic and have done many many links...even with getting them perfectly straight at the start some will end up wonky when wound in.

Ray are you a sponsored pilot?
08-08-2008 09:47 PM
 
 
AzHyper
Veteran
Location: Peoria, Az.

It doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you start them straight. Prove it to yourself - put a 1.5mm allen wrench in a new link - you'll see they are molded incorrectly. So Ray, with all due respect, would you please get with Align and ask them to provide us second batch owners with a fresh set of properly molded links? That's not much to ask for. I really think Align needs to step up and fix this. I'd send mine back to Heliproz under warranty but I think Align needs to send them to those of us who just don't think crooked links do much for promotion of the product. It's fugly. It looks BAD and screams shabby quality.
08-08-2008 10:10 PM
 
 
louk05
Key Veteran
Location: Flying in BelAir Maryland

Not me

I had absolutely no problems with mine. The links were straight and all. I got mine out of the 1st batch so who knows. But any ways I had no problems what so ever. My kit went together with no problems and Nothing could make me happier,

Fly Hard,Crash Hard,Upgrade, Align,AMA#906056
08-08-2008 10:39 PM
 
 
baddraptor
Elite Veteran
Location: valencia, ca- usa

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I honestly don't understand how I was able to build 4 of these machines without any issues nor did I have to sand or grind anything. I guess I'm just that lucky. If this is a beater machine, I really would like to know what would be the main bird.

The Main bird is my Hyper SYNERGY

I am sure a bunch of people have had no issues. Mine might be from the latenight crew, how knows. I have had to do work. I do consider it minor but the one that really gets me is the main shaft size to the bearings. I dont want to be polishing every replacement main shaft I get. And yes the links could screw onto the rods straighter, they are all just a little crooked

I have spent some time and all the gears mesh SUPER smooth now.

I opened the hole for the tail case and it lines up perfectly.

Everything seems to be progressing nicely now that these issues have been met by Mr. Dremel..lol

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I had absolutely no problems with mine. The links were straight and all. I got mine out of the 1st batch so who knows. But any ways I had no problems what so ever. My kit went together with no problems and Nothing could make me happier,

Yes LOUK we know, you have stated this many times in this thread and others. Thanks for helping resolve mine...

**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
08-09-2008 03:49 AM
 
 
louk05
Key Veteran
Location: Flying in BelAir Maryland

Very good

Very good. Wait to you get it in the air.
I dont know how every one can say it dose not track good. I can set it in a hover and let go of the gimbals and it will sit there. Its locked in.
I took my time on the build and made sure everything was 90deg and I had no electronic trim. Its all mechanical so no adjusting needed. It tracks very well and flies like its on rails. It really feels nothing like a 600.
It will flip and roll very fast and climbs like crazy. Even with the stock paddles its very fast.
You will love it when its done and I don't know if people are having trouble with the main shaft because they are using the wrong shim or what. I had 5 shims in my kit. 2 sets of 1 size and 1 single size. It was the smallest one I used on mine.
Any ways let us know when you get it in the air and what you think of it then.
Enjoy the rest of the build

Fly Hard,Crash Hard,Upgrade, Align,AMA#906056
08-09-2008 04:04 AM
 
 
hotshot tony
Senior Heliman
Location: Shepherdsville, KY US

thanks, Majestic12

make feel a bit better knowing that alot of other heli have the same set up.

and im not a negitive person at all. it was just a fact in my mined.
so happens it breaks, thro hold baby!!! and then get to watch it hit the ground like a big fat rock. thats not negitive, just a fact.


I sit back and stair at this heli, and more i look at it the more i like it. its really very nice heli. it dont look like a cheap heli to me at all. Im very happy with it!! i think i might have to have two of them.
Tony
08-09-2008 04:06 AM
 
 
baddraptor
Elite Veteran
Location: valencia, ca- usa

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You will love it when its done and I don't know if people are having trouble with the main shaft because they are using the wrong shim or what. I had 5 shims in my kit. 2 sets of 1 size and 1 single size. It was the smallest one I used on mine.

The shims were NOT my issue. The main bearings were undersize meaning the ID was to small for the OD of the main shaft. Hence the reason I needed to polish it. If you read through my posts you will see where I stated the 2 sizes.

And with this issue I am NOT being picky at all. If the Main shaft wont go into the bearings, well it just wont go without work or replacement.

Main shaft od 12.03mm
bearing id 11.98mm

**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**
08-09-2008 04:09 AM
 
 
louk05
Key Veteran
Location: Flying in BelAir Maryland

yes

it dose not look like a cheap heli by no means. If it had a polished head or even a blue like the SP I think it would look a lot better. The black head kinda hides its real beauty. Just think if it was polished. It would look awesome. It dose need a bit bigger canopy as well. The canopy is just a bit bigger than the 600. So a polished head and a bigger canopy and it would be one sexy beast. But one thing is for sure. They did not cut any corners with this and the went off teh 600. All the parts that needed to be upgraded on teh 600 they already did on the 700 which is a big step. So no need to have to buy tons of upgrades as it already has them.

I might look into polishing my swash and all my elevator and aileron and all control arms to see what it looks like. I bet it would be sexy. Any ways good luck and happy flying

Fly Hard,Crash Hard,Upgrade, Align,AMA#906056
08-09-2008 04:12 AM
 
 
Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

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The shims were NOT my issue. The main bearings were undersize meaning the ID was to small for the OD of the main shaft. Hence the reason I needed to polish it. If you read through my posts you will see where I stated the 2 sizes.

Yeah I hear ya. Shouldn't have to polish out tightness like that. Funny thing is the famed Aurora in all it's perfectness has tight swashes and unfinished tappings as well as unfiniahed canopies and wonky tails etc.....LOL....bit worse than the trex 700N from what I see!

Perhaps they have that sorted and yes some problems are annoying and others easy to rectify.

I keep saying it's good value for the money and I am not paid to do so and I am unbiased towards brands. I get what I see and see what I get so my viewpoint is strictly mine alone. I see a few issues that need sorting but consider most of them minor inconvieniences that can be rectified in the hobby room. I have had to do minor things on my Hirobo's as well.

Many have seen the crooked links. Perhaps 40% of mine were and 60% I am happy with. I'll grab another bag of links at some stage.

I did the servo links last night and the system works super smooth. very happy with the setup. The swash has a little play in it but nothing more than my original plastic hirobo ones had in them and they always flew great.

The paddles are fat! Not that well finished on the ends but fine all the same. I may throw my 4mm stubz on there just to be different but I'll try the align ones first to get a baseline on how it flies stock so I know if it's worth it..

I am really liking the build so far....but I like building helis so dont worry if I have a few issues to sort out.
08-09-2008 05:59 AM
 
 
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