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e-Miniature Aircraft Furion - Razor - Ion-X > Best Motor Setup for actro 32-3, power jazz and maybe 12s.
 
 
da_man
Veteran
Location: NJ

I got an ionx with an actro 32-3, new poowerjazz, 10s 8000 packs, 690 radix blades and a 9.5:1 gear ratio.

my question is what can I expect from 12s or change like headspeed, blades ,gearing.

DO I need to program teh esc, or is it good on the defualts.

And anything else I should do.

What I want soo much should never hurt this bad
07-29-2008 06:02 PM
 
 
Fly X Cell
Senior Heliman
Location: Hampton, VA

12s

If you go 12s, and I would really reccomend it, you will need to change that gear ratio. Anything between 11.27:1 and 11.62:1 will be fine. I fly an Ion X2 at 11.37:1.

Clarence

Furion 450
Stratus
Ion X2 Actro 32-3
Razor 600
MIniatureAircraftUSA Team Pilot
07-29-2008 06:12 PM
 
 
cgbole
Veteran
Location: tulsa ok

Yes you need to program the powejazz with the prog card...
chuck

Magnito Chuck...
Frickin' Align
E Synergy Flybarless
E Trex 700
07-29-2008 06:19 PM
 
 
Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

ION X

I have an ION X and an Estratus....both run Powerjazz's,Actro 32-3, and both are on 10:1

The Ion x is set up for 10s and the stratus for 12s...

With the Stratus on 12s I have the Throttle curve squashed pretty heavily to avoid overspeeding the head...the Powerjazz is plenty capable of handling this...even on the 10:1 ratio...It's not ideal ...11:1 or higher would be better ....


The BEST thing you can do for that setup is get some new Outrage or Desire Power packs for than and even on 10s you'll be happy...ebay those crappy old 5s 8000's..they SUCK...

If I were you I'd run an 11s setup ...try 11s 4500mah...I have experimented quite a bit with my ION and found that the packs (10s)2x5s and (11s) 5s and 6s fit under the stock canopy no prob..

this is my ION X on 10s 3700mah evo 25c's ...6s on one side and 4s on the other

ION X 10S
07-29-2008 06:21 PM
 
 
Stolla
Senior Heliman
Location: Port elizabeth South Africa

Jag 72 and Chuck you both seem to have a lot of experience, if I were to use 12s or 10s both 5000mah and matched gearing for the same headspeed, which is then going to give me better flight times the higher voltp/amp or the higher amps p/volt all other factors being equal. Going to run actro 32-4 with jive 80 hv
Also I can get the flightpower batts a little cheaper here than the outrage, how do they compare, while we are at it toss in the tP's as well.
Thanks

Common sense may not be common after all
07-31-2008 06:15 AM
 
 
rcdaddy
Veteran
Location: Singapore

Search on the forums for outrage packs. they are hand down the best pack over FP or TP. You will not regret having an OUTRAGE.
07-31-2008 09:03 AM
 
 
Stolla
Senior Heliman
Location: Port elizabeth South Africa

I saw that, however no lunches are free as i believe the esc's thermal on the higher c rating.
Now about my other question....anyone?

Common sense may not be common after all
07-31-2008 10:13 AM
 
 
cgbole
Veteran
Location: tulsa ok

Using the same motor, on 12s and 10s i'd say you would get better flight times from 12s. more voltage should mean less amp draw.
chuck

Magnito Chuck...
Frickin' Align
E Synergy Flybarless
E Trex 700
07-31-2008 12:08 PM
 
 
Stolla
Senior Heliman
Location: Port elizabeth South Africa

Thanks Chuck, i'm going for the 12's

Common sense may not be common after all
07-31-2008 02:23 PM
 
 
Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

12s ...but get Outrage packs...TRUST ME....

If Outrages are more money GET THEM STILL....it's worth it..

The Outrages outperform the TP's and Fp's by ALOT...

I would recommend 12s 5000's w/25c Outrage packs...and the only other thing I would recommend is getting a Powerjazz instead of the Jive 80.

I have been hearing ALOT of issues about the new Jives having Overcurrent shutdown issues...and in the Stratus and ION's you are going to be pulling some major amps...The powerjazz is a beefier and more proven ESC for the ION's...I use a powerjazz in both my Estratus and IONX...and they work great...no thermal or Overcurrent issues.
07-31-2008 02:55 PM
 
 
bathmagic
Senior Heliman
Location: Berwick,Victoria, Australia

E- Stratus

i Second That !

3DMP , Vbar 600 "Innovation" The key to success !
08-01-2008 05:25 AM
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Stolla
Senior Heliman
Location: Port elizabeth South Africa

Sh....t the jive's already on the way, guess i'll add a fan and hope for the best, I'll get some outrage packs once I have the thing dialed in.

Common sense may not be common after all
08-01-2008 08:30 AM
 
 
da_man
Veteran
Location: NJ

Just finally gave a test flight on the powerjazz and all of the sudden, same packs and everything except the esc (hacker 77) it felt like it had a lot more power. For 360$ it is a bit pricy, but is really something. Now I got to order some 6s outrage packs, change my gearing and I should have more power than my 90.

What I want soo much should never hurt this bad
08-01-2008 06:08 PM
 
 
NFFD
Senior Heliman
Location: B.C. , Canada

I pulled my ION mechanics out of my Vario Huey Fuselage. The power unit was a Actro 32-4 so I could get way down low on the needed HS.

I am putting her back to a pod and boom again, Dont want to buy a New 32-3, so I am going to use the 32-4 and put on a 15t pinion on the single stage, with 10s packs.

Running the CC esc on Gov.mode I should be right around 1840HS on the 80% theory.

I am hoping this should be lots of power

curtis

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08-05-2008 04:20 AM
 
 
Stolla
Senior Heliman
Location: Port elizabeth South Africa

Hi Curtis
Tell me some more on your actro 32-4 as i'm converting my stratus to e
What do you get flight time wise? also how does it compare with the 32-3 power wise on same headspeed.

Common sense may not be common after all
08-05-2008 09:35 AM
 
 
NFFD
Senior Heliman
Location: B.C. , Canada

Stolla,
Its not up and flying yet, just putting everything back together.
when the ION mechanics where in the Huey Fuselage, I was running the 32-4 (414Kv) with the single stage gearing (10t pinion), and the 100t main gear on the 2 TP 5s4p packs for a hs of 1300.

There was alot of power with this setup, and with everything inside the fuselage, after a 10min flight, the power system was just warm to the touch. On basic ff moves I could get a 15min fly.

I wont be able to get up to the hs of around 1850 with the 32-4 and that gearing, even the lower main gear of 90t wont bring it up enough.

So I took apart my secondary gearing unit,from the orginial ion kit.

I am using the 15t pinion, and the bearing blocks from this, they fit onto the single stage shaft, and bolt onto the frame the same way.

So now I will use the 32-4(414)motor,15t pinion, and a 90t main gear for a total hs of 2300. Using the Gov. mode which runs about 80% throttle I should be around the 1850 hs.

Hopefully I will find time to finish it up this week, just started on it last weekend.

Sorry Sir!, But Visa's saying We need to destroy the Card!!
08-05-2008 01:20 PM
 
 
Stolla
Senior Heliman
Location: Port elizabeth South Africa

Thanks for the info,keep us posted.

Common sense may not be common after all
08-05-2008 08:20 PM
 
 
TomC
Veteran
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

I have both Actro motors, 32-3 (555kv) and 32-4 (415kv) and I think that they work best and make the best power when operating in the 20-24,000 rpm range. For the 32-3, this means 10-12s and for the 32-4 ~13-15s. A 32-4 on 10s is only spinning at ~ 15,000 rpm. this will still give pretty good power but I'd estimate that a 32-3 on 10s spinning ~ 20,000 rpm will make +10-15% more power.

I've flown my Ion-x 10:1 single stage around on 10s with a 32-4. It gets ~1450 hs and did fly it around ok, but was a real dog imop. Still, fun for hovering practice and long flight times though.

The point is, the 32-4 is probably a bit more flexible, gearing-wise on 10-12s than the 32-3 but do not expect quite the same power as a properly geared 32-3 on 10-12s, that's all.

Cheers,
Tom C

CX2 2s
Logo10- 3D 5s
Trex600 10s
2x Ion-x, 1x15s DS, 1x15s SS
08-05-2008 11:15 PM
 
 
NFFD
Senior Heliman
Location: B.C. , Canada

Hey TomC

I agree with your post, trying to run a motor at its true effeciency
is the best setup. I am going to the 32-4 setup just because I have all the parts needed to do it. Just dont feel like spending the extra $200-$300's on another motor, of even battery packs for that matter. This way if I am not satified with the performance, I am not out any $$$$$$

cheers

curtis

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08-08-2008 03:06 PM
 
 
Stolla
Senior Heliman
Location: Port elizabeth South Africa

What do you guys reckon would the differences be between a 32-4 and 32-3 both geared for 2000 hs on 12s?

Common sense may not be common after all
08-08-2008 05:55 PM
 
 
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