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Gasser Model RC Helicopters > Ever deviate from the pure linier pitch curve ??
 
 
GREYEAGLE
Key Veteran
Location: Sioux City IA

I'm close but yet to test -

What's a T - Curve ???

Right know the numbers posted above were obtained with ATV's set at 100% and a full obtainable mechnical total collective pitch of -10 = +10.

The design of the SE front end, limits pretty much any deviation of geometry changes in the linkage except for length or shortening the related rods since all servo ball centers and arm pivot points are fixed geometry.

The collective servo begins buried in the frame, using a wheel and two ball links and parrell push pull rods leading in a vertical up posistion to a T type tiller, attaching to the bottom leg of the inverted T.

The ball link center distances of the wheel and the bottom legs of the inverted T are factory matched and fixed parraell geometry.

The top leg of the inverted T, leads off with a link to the aileron cyclic servo which rests in a seperate rocker frame pivot and is allowed to tilt. These center distances for the rocker, the pivot of the T and the cyclic spread are fixed.

This adjustable collective link actually attaches to the center servo wheel hold down screw. The left / right cyclic servo wheel then has rods leading back to the 90 arms for left and right and to lift the swash.

Hence you rotate the collective servo, it swings the top of the inverted T via push pull, top of the T leg rocks the cyclic servo for collective lift, and it also rotates for cyclic.

The only thing I can really tamper with further is to shorten the four links that lift the swash, hench lowering the swash, then go back thru the train again.



greyeagle
07-31-2008 04:53 AM
 
 
TooBizzy
Senior Heliman
Location: Georgetown, Ohio USA

T-Curve = Throttle Curve.....

P-Gasser Se, Raptor 50 Se Hyper, Raptor 30v2, Trex450se, 3dx450...
07-31-2008 11:58 AM
 
 
AceBird
Elite Veteran
Location: Utica, NY USA

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The collective servo begins buried in the frame, using a wheel and two ball links and parrell push pull rods leading in a vertical up posistion to a T type tiller, attaching to the bottom leg of the inverted T.

It is difficult for me to make out what is what from the pictures. I am assuming that one servo is dedicated to the collective motion of this helicopter. In theory your push pull linkages do not have to be a parallelogram. They can be an equilateral trapezoid which will reduce the throw. Maybe I can find a breakdown of this helicopter in a pdf file and see what is what.

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I hope you understand why that doesn't make sense to me when my Predator hovers (1650 HS) at 28% throttle and 0° collective is about 18-19% throttle (1650 HS).

Of course. Your setup is similar to mine. But unfortunately a computer radio has the ability to get by with unusual mechanical setups.

Ace
What could be more fun?
07-31-2008 05:40 PM
 
 
AceBird
Elite Veteran
Location: Utica, NY USA

It looks to me that if you decreased that 20mm wheel to say 16-18 mm you would be just about right on your collective for 100% ATV.



I found this in the manual for a 1004, the 1005 was different.

Ace
What could be more fun?
07-31-2008 05:44 PM
 
 
GREYEAGLE
Key Veteran
Location: Sioux City IA

You found the one for a standard MA 1005 take a look at a Fury SE

When we say we do a SE conversion, we literially mate the carbon front frame off a Fury to the chassis.

The collective tiller is the gold T- swiveled "up side down" on the top of the chassie since it had yet to be connected. The driver servoe is buired down in side the stacked frame.

You can also see the Left Right and center point connections for the cyclic.



greyeagle
07-31-2008 06:26 PM
 
 
AceBird
Elite Veteran
Location: Utica, NY USA

It is hard to make out what is what on that heli, even with the manual. Such a conglomeration of linkages.

Ace
What could be more fun?
08-03-2008 01:52 AM
 
 
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