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e-Miniature Aircraft Furion - Razor - Ion-X > E stratus actro 32-3
 
 
Stolla
Senior Heliman
Location: Port elizabeth South Africa

Will the actro 32-3 on std 8.18 gearing and 10s give me 2000 headspeed?

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07-19-2008 07:34 PM
 
 
cgbole
Veteran
Location: tulsa ok

No, closer to 2500+ 555Kv x 36V = 19,980 RPM divided by 8.18:1 ratio = 2400+ at 100% throttle. we ran a actro 24-5 on 8.18:1
on 10s and 11s... on 10s it was close to 1800 head speed. on 11s it was right at 2000 (goverend by a Schulze 32.55 controller) we ran 10s w/ the actro 32-3 at a 10:1 ratio and had around 2000 at the first of the pack. thats the ratio they ran the Ions on back in the day...
chuck
here it is on 11s with 24-5 on 8.18:1
8.18:1 11s 24-5
and here it is w 32-3 on 10s at 10:1 ratio
32-3 10s 10:1

Magnito Chuck...
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E Trex 700
07-20-2008 03:22 AM
 
 
Stolla
Senior Heliman
Location: Port elizabeth South Africa

Thanks Chuck
Would it hurt to run the 8.18 gear ratio and govern it to a lower speed i.e. 2000 or so with the kontronic jazz controller?
Also since you seem to have a lot of experience with this this mod, what
would be your ultimsate recommendation for motor speed controller, gearing etc be.

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07-21-2008 09:15 AM
 
 
cgbole
Veteran
Location: tulsa ok

I'd get a 95T main and a 10T pinion and run 9.5:1 ratio. At 36v that would get ya 2100 HS at 100% throttle. 2400+ on a fully charged 10s pack. and running in gov mode on a Powerjazz controller would work great for governing it back. A 100T main with thre same pinion would lower the head speed a little from there.
chuck

Magnito Chuck...
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E Synergy Flybarless
E Trex 700
07-21-2008 12:40 PM
 
 
Stolla
Senior Heliman
Location: Port elizabeth South Africa

Sounds good, what about the neu 1915H/1.5y, how does this compare to the actro, seems easier to get from same supplier I usually deal with in the US.
Also Chuck I see you manufactured mounting plates for the mod at one time, do you still have and can we do a usps emi package to
South Africa? will this fit the neu?
I would also appreciate your comments on whether it is a worthwhile proposition to do the modification, or should I rather go and buy a mikado 600 3d!

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07-22-2008 07:24 AM
 
 
cgbole
Veteran
Location: tulsa ok

The 1915 H 1.5y would work great. i have used the 1915 1.5y non heli version, it had great power but will get hot on back to back flights. the H version with the large external fan i'm told stays alot cooler but i haven't tried one yet. we ran it on a 9.5:1 ratio
here is a video from a year ago w/ the 1915 at 9.5 on 12s...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JZ1...bsA/default.jpg

chuck

Magnito Chuck...
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E Synergy Flybarless
E Trex 700
07-22-2008 01:13 PM
 
 
Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

Estratus or Logo 600

Well...I have a couple of logo 600's and a couple of 90 sized Min Airs...(ION X and Estratus)

to be honest with you ....I love the Ion and the Stratus because they fly so smoothly and so well....but for RAW power the logo 600 is unbeatable ...in my opinion...

Right now I have a logo 600 heli that is by FAR the fastest thing I have Ever flown...it SMOKES the Stratus and the ION X..so I guess if you are looking to KILLER power then get the logo...if you want a smooth flying machine with Good power then get the Stratus..

Here's my Stratus...

Converted to E POWER thanks to Chuck(CGBOLE)

I am running a 32-3/10:1 ratio
Powerjazz
9351 servos
611/9256
12s 3850mah
Powerjazz

07-22-2008 02:43 PM
 
 
Stolla
Senior Heliman
Location: Port elizabeth South Africa

That's a great paint job!,yeah you're right about the stratus flying so smooth, I have 2 and must concur that I have yet to fly a smoother heli. But I'm a bit bored now therefore looking at converting one to electric. Seems powerjazz is the way to go as far as speed controllers.
However I have one question: which will give me the longest flight times 10 s 5a flat out or 12s 5a limited to lower(same) headspeed with governer. I know all factors being the same the 10 s will give longer flight times due to the higher amp per volt rating. However 2 6s's will make more sense........
What can I expect flight time wise running at 2000?
Also what is your setup and flight times on the logo?

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07-23-2008 08:16 AM
 
 
stanc
Veteran
Location: Conroe, TX

Jag72
The Logo is swinging 600mm blades and is lighter than the Ion and Stratus that are swinging 690 to 710 blades, so I would expect it to be quicker.

Stolla
A 12S set up to run 2000 HS would have to be geared differently than a 10S to run 2000 HS even with a governor. The throttle curve or straight line in this case would have to be too low on the 12S set up as compared to the 10S. I don't have a PJ, but I do use a couple of 55-10-32 Jazz controllers for 10S machines and you can reduce the throttle down quite a ways and it still will work pretty good, but that isn't the right way to go about lowering the HS. If you gear it correctly for 12S and 2000 HS you want to run, your flight times will be longer and your packs and motor will come down a lot cooler.

(10S) 555 x 37 / 10 = 2050
(12S) 555 x 44.4 / 10 = 2460

The throttle curve for the 10S would be almost 100%, where the 12S would be maybe as low as 60%. Don't really know until you tech it.
However if you run an external governor, using the same gear ratio for both 10S and 12S is possible. I use an ATG V3 on my Stratus, Ion X2s and Avro 90 that I converted to electric. I dropped in some 12S in the Avro that is geared for 10S and got more flight time than with 10S and the HS stayed the same. If you want to increase the HS, then it is just a matter of increasing the AUX channel the governor is plugged into, instead of having to change all the points in the throttle curve.

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However I have one question: which will give me the longest flight times 10 s 5a flat out or 12s 5a limited to lower(same) headspeed with governer. I know all factors being the same the 10 s will give longer flight times due to the higher amp per volt rating.

This isn't true, running 12S geared right and with a governor, will draw less amps than 10S and get longer flight times. I would say your flight times would not exceed 5 minutes depending on your style of flying. Hard 3D maybe 5 minutes with 5000 packs.

All this being said, trying to achieve the right gear ratio for a direct drive set up in the Stratus is harder to do than if it were a belt drive. You would need to get to around 11.2 with 12S for 2200 HS and then dial it down a little for your 2000. A 95T and a 8T would get you 11.875:1 and 2075 HS, but you really need more head room for the governor in the PJ to work than 75 rpm. Using a 100T and a 9T would give you 11.1:1 and 2220 HS, then you would have the head room you need for the PJ.

I'm sure you will work it out and enjoy you electric Stratus.

Stan
2 x Ion X2
eStartus
eAvro90
Performance Plus Lipo Packs
07-23-2008 12:43 PM
 
 
Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

Ion X Vs. Estratus

My Ion X is setup with a 10:1 ratio as is the Estratus...

I run 10s on the Ion and 12s on the Stratus...

With the powerjazz you can squash the curve enough to make the headspeed manageable on the Stratus with 12s also...


The power on 12s is MUCH better...and going from 3700mah packs to 5000mah packs makes a big difference as well..

Although the Ion X on 10s is no slouch either...

I took this vid yesterday...it's a bit boring...but I was testing out a new set of 690 TST's so I was being a bit safe

Hit the "watch in high quality" on the bottom right hand side of the display...makes it easier to watch..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkjxV3QRbvo

Anthony
07-23-2008 02:29 PM
 
 
Stolla
Senior Heliman
Location: Port elizabeth South Africa

Thanks for the info,ok so I will get longer flight times with 6s 5a and gov than with 10s5a w/o gov but still 5min is not a lot, I was hoping for at least 8. Can't do hard 3d even if I wanted to, mostly fai type with a couple of flips inverted fig 8's etc worked in.
Anthony you reckon the pjazz will handle the neu with 12 s on 10:1, The Neu has lower kv 440 than the actro so as Chuck mentioned 9.5 should work
What headspeed on the Ion?
Does the pjazz have a decent gov or would it be better to try fit an e multigov?
I'm getting exited now!

Common sense may not be common after all
07-23-2008 03:37 PM
 
 
Jag72
Elite Veteran
Location: 20 minutes south of Boston Mass...

Ion..

I would Highly recommend the Powerjazz...the Governor is great on that ESC...no other Gov needed..

The Neu (440KV) is a PERFECT motor for that machine on 12s...9.5:1 is good...but 10:1 and 12s is better..

I would recommend governing at 2100...makes the machine BALLISTIC...but if you are just flying mild then 200 is good as well.

I am running about 1900 on that ION...that's all I can really squeeze out on that setup right now..

I suspect that on 12s and a lower headspeed combined with mild flying...you should probably get 7 minutes or better though..

Anthony
07-23-2008 04:08 PM
 
 
Stolla
Senior Heliman
Location: Port elizabeth South Africa

Thanks again for the info, what about the Actro 32-4 (Max) 415rpm/V Brushless Motor, I can almost run this with stock gearing?

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07-24-2008 07:31 AM
 
 
TomC
Veteran
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

Stolla,

An Actro max 32-4 415kv should work pretty good on 12s with your current ratio (8.18). With a PowerJazz esc you should be able to govern this to ~2000 rpm HS.

I'm currently running this motor on a 15s single staged Ion-x with a 10:1 ratio and it runs great. I do not think that this motor will be quite as strong on 12s as it is on 15s, but it should work pretty well imop.

As usual, lots of options!

Cheers,
Tom C

CX2 2s
Logo10- 3D 5s
Trex600 10s
2x Ion-x, 1x15s DS, 1x15s SS
07-24-2008 07:55 AM
 
 
Stolla
Senior Heliman
Location: Port elizabeth South Africa

Thanks Tom, kind of what i wanted to hear, as you mentioned so many options, however the less you have to modify, obviously the better.
I think this is what i'll go for, now only to be able to source the right equipment with adapters etc. Anyone knows if ma makes a 8mm adapter for the actro? Is there enough meat on the 5mm adapter to machine to 8mm?
excuse my ignorance but what is single stage opposed to DS, this e-thing is new to me!

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07-24-2008 09:27 AM
 
 
stanc
Veteran
Location: Conroe, TX

Stolla
MA only makes the adapter in 5 and 6mm and I don't think there is enough room to drill it out to 8mm. Being there are female threads on the other end that are not much larger than 8mm. If I'm not mistaken MA has both in stock or they did not too long ago.
The DS you mentioned must be Dual Stage or Two Stage. Here is a link to MrMels belt drive two stage eStratus on the Freak.

Stan
2 x Ion X2
eStartus
eAvro90
Performance Plus Lipo Packs
07-24-2008 12:16 PM
 
 
Stolla
Senior Heliman
Location: Port elizabeth South Africa

Ok I have almost all the parts for the modification,i'm going actro 32-4 with std gearing, jive 80 hv, 12 s outrage 5000 ma.
Do you guys run the radio equipment off the bec or a seperate pwr supply, how will this influence my flight times?.
Thanks again for all your input!

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08-13-2008 04:51 PM
 
 
cgbole
Veteran
Location: tulsa ok

I run a 2s lipo through a duralite reglator with a step down on the tail servo. it's prob a little heavier, but i don't notice it.
chuck

Magnito Chuck...
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E Trex 700
08-13-2008 06:21 PM
 
 
TomC
Veteran
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

Stolla,

I run an Align 6amp 5.8v regulator with a 5.1v step-down on the tail servo, powered by a FP Evolite 2s1p 2100 pack.

Personally I would have liked to have seen you go to a PowerJazz esc for the higher safety margin (and built-in spark arrestor) on a 90 sized heli, or at least the Jive 100HV esc. Having said that, if you already bought the Jive 80HV esc I'm sure you will be ok for sport/light 3D. The Jive HV escs seem to have a pretty good built-in bec so I'd probably use it. Will probably only reduce your runtimes by about 15 seconds.

Cheers,
TomC

CX2 2s
Logo10- 3D 5s
Trex600 10s
2x Ion-x, 1x15s DS, 1x15s SS
08-13-2008 10:53 PM
 
 
cgbole
Veteran
Location: tulsa ok

Hey Tom, i might be wrong but i think the Hv Jives' are 60amps and
80 amps...Jive at Esprit i wish they would have made a 100 amp version... i use a PJ on my E Synergy, and a Hv 85 on my E Stratus.. and when i get around to it i'll put a Youngblood ATGv3 on it for a gov. so far the
cc 85 has worked fine in "heli fixed end points".
chuck

Magnito Chuck...
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E Synergy Flybarless
E Trex 700
08-14-2008 12:05 AM
 
 
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