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e-Align T-REX 450-500-600 > T-REX 600 Bogs in clockwise funnels
 
 
InvictaRocks
New Heliman
Location: Santa Clara, CA

My friend's 600E loads up bad. Everything's been gone through - ESC, Regulators, Motor, Batteries, Bearings and blocks, tried smaller pinion - Nothing helps. It has tons of power otherwise, just when spinning a clockwise/tail up funnel, it sounds like it's straining and loses lots of headspeed. Is this common?
07-18-2008 08:49 PM
 
 
helimatt
Key Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

Do you mean skids-in or skids-out? Does it bog in funnels in other orientations?

Likely if its skids-out, nose-down clockwise, its the tail having to work very hard to hold orientation that is needing the extra power. Just my hunch. I notice a difference if its clockwise or counterclockwise, and always attributed it to the tail needing more thrust.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
07-18-2008 09:16 PM
 
 
InvictaRocks
New Heliman
Location: Santa Clara, CA

Yes, skids out, nose down - and the tail sounds like it's fighting hard. Would the tail working that hard be enough to bog the motor? If so, what are the most effecient tail blades for the 600E?
07-18-2008 09:22 PM
 
 
pH7
Key Veteran
Location: Sterling Heights, MI - USA

Governor or not? Cyclic to throttle mixes or not? If governor (no) and mixes (yes), then have you verified that the throttle goes the right way under all the possible conditions.
07-19-2008 12:59 AM
 
 
InvictaRocks
New Heliman
Location: Santa Clara, CA

Thanks - No gov or throttle mixes - No real bog in a full climb-out, just on the funnels.
07-19-2008 01:26 AM
 
 
helimatt
Key Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

In funnels, the rotor's working hard (particularly in tight funnels), and so is the tail in the direction you're doing them. So, bog. You might try a different set of tail blades- experiment a bit. I am flying a 6S stock 600L motor and it will bog in funnels. I am flying 92mm Radix tail blades. 95's could be worth a try.

If your motor/battery setup is a little weak, you might not be able to tune the bogging away- just manage it.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
07-19-2008 01:49 AM
 
 
pH7
Key Veteran
Location: Sterling Heights, MI - USA

You might want to set up cyclic to throttle mix since you aren't running a governor. This will automatically kick in a bit more throttle, because of the aileron input in the funnel. It might help.

EDIT: Oops, sorry, I just paid attention to the fact that this is an electric. Since you are probably running a flat throttle curve, the mix is pretty much irrelevant.
07-19-2008 02:51 AM
 
 
dpcarey
Senior Heliman
Location: Ontario, Canada

No question about it, the whole system and tail is worked very hard while flying sideways (funnels) in the way that you have described.

However, if your buddy is new to funnels, my guess is that he is using too much collective AND cyclic while literally forcing the funnel to occur, and be maintained, at his chosen airspeed. This puts a lot of strain on the system. But, with a little practice, funnels can be performed with much less stick input thereby loading things up much less. Your buddy will know the difference once he experiences this himself a couple times.

Some funnels are almost effortless insofar that the sticks are hardly touched once the funnel is established. In this case, the heli will settle quite naturally into a funnel of a diamater and airspeed which works together nicely with the rotor disk angle; just like water going down the drain, it doesn`t need to be forced. Alternatively, a funnel can also be achieved by brute force, with lots of stick deflection. But, doing funnels this way really bogs the heli down.

Effortless funnels are much easier, and really do benefit, from a nicely set up heli.
07-22-2008 08:10 PM
 
 
InvictaRocks
New Heliman
Location: Santa Clara, CA

All good info- Thanks guys!
07-22-2008 08:56 PM
 
 
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