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e-Electric Batteries & Chargers > Looking for a 6s charger...

blbills
Senior Heliman
Location: Provo, UT

I'm looking for a charger that can charge a 6 cell lipo. I don't need any bells and whistles and am looking for minimal cost.

So far I've found the TP 610 and the Hyperion 0606i. I really like the hyperion because you can plug it strait into the wall.

Are there any other reasonably priced lipo chargers that I should be considering?

Also is it safe to charge say a 3000mah outrage pack at more than 1c without shortening its life?

Thanks!!!

Brian

07-08-2008 02:49 AM

Heli 770
Key Veteran
Location: Lemon Grove, Ca. USA.

Look at an Astro 109.

07-08-2008 03:36 AM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

The TP-610 is an 80 watt charger while I believe the 0606i is only 50w.

I have a 610C and it seems to work well.

07-08-2008 03:50 AM

Heli 770
Key Veteran
Location: Lemon Grove, Ca. USA.

I think the 0606i, has 250w.

07-08-2008 03:59 AM

lil_Buddy
Senior Heliman
Location: Scott LA. US

I just got this one. Works great.

http://www.modefosheli.com/inc/sdetail/99382

07-08-2008 04:02 AM

Heli 770
Key Veteran
Location: Lemon Grove, Ca. USA.

What happend to the bells and whistles part?

07-08-2008 04:10 AM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

Quote
I think the 0606i, has 250w.

50W.

http://media.hyperion.hk/dn/eos/

07-08-2008 04:12 AM

Heli 770
Key Veteran
Location: Lemon Grove, Ca. USA.

Ace Dude
I saw it!

07-08-2008 04:19 AM

blbills
Senior Heliman
Location: Provo, UT

Will that work or is 50w not enough? I just have no idea when it comes to this stuff.

Brian

07-08-2008 04:21 AM

RCHeliJim
Elite Veteran
Location: Orem, UT USA

Brian, the best bang for your buck 6S charger out there, in my opinion, is the Hyperion 0610i NET charger - its only $30 more than your listed choices, but it does up to 250 Watts and if you ever go to larger packs in the future you can tie two of them together to make a 12S 500W charger. This is the charger I have been using and I love it. Here is a link to it: http://www.allerc.com/product_info....roducts_id=3366

Go Fly, Have Fun!!
-Team Quick UK
-Team RCHeliMag

07-08-2008 04:25 AM

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blbills
Senior Heliman
Location: Provo, UT

Why would this one be better for me if all I'll ever want to charge is 6s? It looks like that one requires an additional power supply as well. Would it allow me to charge faster? Wouldn't the standard 0606i be able to charge the lipos as fast as I can without shortening their life?

Brian

07-08-2008 05:05 AM

electricdurango
Veteran
Location: Sterling, VA

I was in your same situation. All I ever needed was a 2s lipo charger. Got one for 40.00. All I ever needed was a 3s charger. Got one for 129.00. Did up to 4s. All I ever needed was a 6S lipo charger. Got a TP1010. Did up to 10S. With a balancer, tp210 300.00.

Now I need more.

So far I have spent 690.00 on chargers and balancers.

Polycharge 4
TP1010
TP210 bal
2x TP 205 bal
Triton

Non to mention the 12 amp power supply that I needed to upgrade to a 20amp.

OMG. I just made myself sick.

450se v2

07-08-2008 05:13 AM

blbills
Senior Heliman
Location: Provo, UT

lol I see your point. I still woun't mind having my charging questions answered.

thx.

Brian

07-08-2008 05:27 AM

"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Japan

The 0606i is a DC charger. You need a separate Power Supply Unit (PSU).

If your pack is 2500mAh (TRex 500) you will want to charge it at 2.5 Amps. (1C).

The nominal pack voltage times the amps = 55.5 Watts.
This means, as the pack reaches full charge (4.1, 4.2 Volts per cell) the charge rate will slow to only 2.0 Amps.

The 0606i AC/DC internal transformer is only 60W and rated at 50W continuous which means if you want to charge a 6S pack at 3 Amps, it will start at 2.7A and drop to 2.2A for most of the charge, before dropping below 2A for the last 15 minutes. [With the 0610i NET there is a setting called TCS- Terminal Capacity Selection, and you can set this to say 90%, avoiding the slowest charge rate and save that 15 minutes by only charging the pack to 90%].

If you had a 2300mAh 6S A123 pack you Can charge it at 10 Amps on the 0610i NET,
And if you had a 5000mAh 6S LiPo pack you can charge it at 5 Amps as the peak power will only be 126 Watts, compared to the 0610i NET’s potential of 250W.

It may even be possible to charge a 5000 pack at 10 Amps (2C) for about three-quarters of the charge (before exceeding the power rating) but I will have to check if it the will allow this – some chargers in the range you choose the Amp Rate by selecting the capacity and some by telling the charger the Amp value. It may also be limited to 1C and I think the capacity has a limit of 6000. (I can check all this tomorrow).

The Packs in the photos above are 5S 4800 LCL and 5S 4500 VX.
Wired for flight as 15S2P and all disconnected for balance charging.
You can see the Sync wires in the photo with the Red (LCL) Packs.
The Amps in the far right photo are low because the cells are at 4.1V each.
(The Amps are not the same becasue I forgot to sync the charges! But the balancer calibrtaions of each charger are close enough to get away with it)! Sometimes the chargers stop the amps for a few seconds to accurately read the cell voltages.

07-08-2008 11:16 AM

blbills
Senior Heliman
Location: Provo, UT

So say I have a 6s 3000mah pack. What would be the difference in charging time between the 0606i AC/DC and the 0610i NET. And if I got the 0610i to realize the potential wouldn't I need to purchase a regulator as well?

Sorry for the ignorance, it's been a while since I've been into electrics.

Thanks,

Brian

07-08-2008 08:10 PM

"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Japan

Last night I said with a 50W charger like the 0606i or the 0606i AC/DC the charge will slow to 2.2A for most of the charge.

I found just now when charging a 6S pack as fast as I can (cells at 3.9v/cell) the charge rate was always 2.14A. (50.076 Watts)

0606i and 0606i AC/DC (Tried on PSU and Mains)

Capacity limited to 6000mAh (2C charging not applicable because of 50W power output)
Cell count limited to 6 LiPo (Will also charge A123 LiFePO4)
Amp limited to 6 Amps.
- The charger selects the Amps from the capacity you set.

Using IT=AH (Current in Amps multiplied by time in hours = Capacity in Amp Hours)

2.14T = 3 (for your 3000 pack) -> becomes T = 3 / 2.14

You get 1.4 hours which is 1 Hour and 24 Minutes. BUT the charge rate slows down a lot as the cell voltages get to 4.1 and then 4.2v/cell when charged.

For the 0610i NET

Capacity is limited to 20,000 mAh
Cell count is still 6
Amp limited to 10 Amps
- You set BOTH the capacity AND the Amps on this charger

I got a charge rate of 9.6A with a 6S 5000 pack at 3.9v/cell. (224 Watts)

Meaning from empty, it could be charged in 35 minutes. AND you can set the TCS function to 90% so it would be charged in 35 minutes!

The Conclusion is the 0610i is 30% faster when charging at 1C

However if you promise to be next to your battery when charging AND unplug it when the charge ends -
the 0610i becomes THREE times faster than the 0606i when charging at 2C.

07-09-2008 02:13 AM

blbills
Senior Heliman
Location: Provo, UT

So if I understand you correctly I could charge my 3000mah packs in 35min without damaging them or shortening their life? And is that with a PSU? If so what should I be looking for in a PSU and where can I get it?

This has all been very helpful, thanks.

Brian

07-09-2008 04:53 AM

"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Japan

It’s not clear if charging at 2C shortens the life of your battery – No one really wants to do that!

Really, ALL LiPo packs should be charged at 1C, which means they will always take just over an hour. (Still faster than the 0606i that is not powerful enough).

Yes, chargers are sold now as being able to charge at 2C.

If you *Have* to charge at 2C please stay within sight of them.

When I build a new helicopter in a few weeks, I will ask the boss if it’s worth making a point of always charging the packs for it at 2C. Just to see how many cycles they last. Because I will be hammering them!

07-09-2008 11:12 AM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

Some packs are capable of being charged at 2C and even 3C.

Your best bet is to always follow the pack manufacturers instructions.

07-10-2008 01:31 AM

Colburn
New Heliman
Location: Glencoe, IL

I just bought the EOS 0606i today. Complete waste of money!

I will be taking it back tomorrow since it doesn't even have enough wattage to get out of it's own way.