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"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

Is there anything you would want your Hyperion Charger to do (within reason, no Cappuccino's or 1 min charges ) that you think a charger should really already have?

At present there are things like:

*Power sharing between outputs (on the DUO) 360W total - you can
have 324W on one port if you like
*Balance charge as well as normal charge
*Store charge (charges and/or discharges to 60%)
*Sync Charge and balance on the DUO and NETs
*Voltage readouts for all cells
*Temperature readings and temperature-dependant cut-off
*PC interface so you can get a plot of whats going on

You get the idea... Post Away!
07-02-2008 09:42 AM
 
 
garyl
Senior Heliman
Location: taxachussetts

I bought this charger last month and I really like it!! it functions great and I really like the dual charge, balance and multiple chemistry battery features. The largest battery I will more than likely ever use is 6S. But if you are looking to make this the greatest charger ever, than 10 or 12s capacity would do it in my opinion.
07-02-2008 01:43 PM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

garyl The DUO will balance 2 6S packs as a '12S' - not many people want a 12S lump in case one cell goes down (over discharge in flight).

And if you have a Net... get another one and sync them!
07-02-2008 02:45 PM
 
 
garyl
Senior Heliman
Location: taxachussetts

I will be flying my Vario BO-105 with 12S, 2 6S in series. I have charged them in sync mode and it works great. I was just thinking of the Logo fliers who use more than 6S packs.
07-02-2008 02:51 PM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

When I flew the eRaptor I had a 10S 'lump' pack. I used a Shultz Chameleon with 2 flightpower external balancers (dischargers).

That pack was a pain to get into the model and was clumsy.

There are too many advantages to using two packs in series to warrent a 12S charger with built-in balancers.

The Logo guys might want a 1210i with two LBA10's?

I will suggest this but I am sure that was the reason.
07-02-2008 02:57 PM
 
 
Jerry Kirwan
Senior Heliman
Location: RichmondTx

Cam

What is the advantage to syncing two Duo's together

BTW I do own two
Jerry
07-02-2008 03:11 PM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

You can Sync two 0610i NETs together. You can't sync DUOs although you can sync one port to another on the same charger.

The advantage is making sure all the cells in seperate packs are in the same condition, for packs that you fly wired-together.

Sync mode balances packs to each other as well as balancing the cells.
07-02-2008 03:28 PM
 
 
mishap
Heliman
Location: MCAS New River, NC USA

I have what maybe a stupid question, so here it goes. If you were to charge 2 3S 2200mAh batteries independantly, would they both be charged at 10 amps, or would it be split in half, each charged at 5 amps per? In other words would it take twice as long to charge two batteries than to just charge one at time with the DUO?

I have thought about buying this charger, but I was just wondering about this before I buy.

Thanks,
Ryan
07-02-2008 05:18 PM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

On the DUO you can charge two 3S A123 packs at 10 Amps each as the total power output will be under 220 Watts. The charger can output upto 360 Watts, if your power supply can.

You should be charging 2200 LiPo packs at 2.2 Amps. - The charger will charge at that rate when you set the capacity to 2200. You could set the capacity to 4400 to get a 2C charge rate, halving the charge time. (Although maybe reducing the cycle life of your LiPo pack).
And you can also set the TCS (Terminal Capacity Selection) to 90% further saving time as the last 10% of capacity takes a disproportionately long time to charge.

The only time charging on the DUO will be slower, is if the combined voltages of the packs, times the amp charge rates exceed the total power output of 360W. In this case the Amp rate will be less than the normal charge rate. Also, if the Power Sharing option is not set to 50 <-> 50, one pack will finish charging before the other.
07-03-2008 01:53 AM
 
 
mishap
Heliman
Location: MCAS New River, NC USA

Thanks, that helps out alot.

I forgot to put it in there, but yes, I was talking about using Lipo's. I thought you could charge 3S up to 10 amps, and it was the bigger ones you had to charge slower? I am still some what knew in the electric game and I am trying to learn as much as I can, as quickly as I can.


Thanks
07-03-2008 02:46 AM
 
 
electricdurango
Veteran
Location: Sterling, VA

Ive been looking at that Hyperion duo charger.

Correct me if Im wrong. The dual ports can charge one pack each, but the packs have to be the same type, capacity, voltage. Right?

Could I charge a 3s 2200 on port 1 and a 6s 5000 on port 2 at the same time? or Just like 2x 2200 3s on ports 1 and 2?

Is it a bleed balancing type or charge balance type?

Firmware updateable.....Do you have to purchase another cable or something?

I have a polycharge 4 but I dont like that its not a balancing type or cannot see amount put back in. I lost my TP1010C in a deal so in need of another high end charger.

450se v2
07-04-2008 07:32 PM
 
 
Jerry Kirwan
Senior Heliman
Location: RichmondTx

Cam can answer better, but up to 6 cells any combination volts - amps. Yes upgradable but you must buy a 20$ cable. Bleed balancing.

jerry
07-05-2008 01:32 AM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

If you are flying with packs in series or parallel, they should have the same cell count, same capacity and be the same cell type.

When charging two packs like this you would use “Sync” mode on the Duo because this would not only balance all the cells, it will balance the packs to each other.

Hyperion encourages using smaller packs (upto 6S) wired together to make larger packs. If you have a cell go bad you only lose half the battery. Smaller packs also dissipate heat better and they are also easier to get in and out of models.

You can independently charge any combination of batteries at the same time on the DUO using “Solo” mode. You simply press the “ch” (change/channel) button to alternate between the displays – like this the DUO is two charges in one case, sharing a screen.

The DUO balances packs by discharging high cells at upto 300mA per cell. The decimal point on a cell’s voltage will ‘blink’ when that cell is being discharged.
The DUO will also completely stop the current once a minute to accurately check all cell voltages before resuming. It does balance continuously throughout charging.

“Charge” or “parallel” balancers are costly to make as it's difficult to calibrate all the chargers and get them to work in synchronous.

To upgrade the firmware on the DUO (and NET) you need one of these, also used to program the TITAN ESC’s and interface the Emeter:
http://www.aircraft-world.com/shopexd.asp?id=4843
And also a servo extension lead – you have to change the pins.



You will be very pleased with the DUO. The menu’s are easy to navigate, loads of safety features, loads of battery information, free firmware releases, (a firmware upgrade can take 3 seconds once you’ve plugged the charger into the PC). And many intuitive features to keep you flying, including Solo and Sync Modes, Balance charge (balance only), Temperature, time cut-offs, LiPo, LiIon, A123, NiCd, NiMh and Pb chemistry support, A123’s can be charged at 10 Amps on BOTH ports simultaneously, (upto 5 cells on each port, or 6 and 4 for 10Amp charge), There’s now an automatic start so you don’t have to confirm that you’ve go the settings correct for your battery (If you’re confident), and you can view all the voltages and values as long as the batteries are connected.

There is PC logging software:
http://media.hyperion.hk/dn/pc/all.htm
And also the one made by "Dominik" on E-Zone (In German)

LAST NOTE: At work we use 600W Power Supplies. That's 15V at 40Amp

You will need at least a 400W PSU (15v) for the DUO. We normally run them at 13.5V.
07-05-2008 02:08 AM
 
 
Jerry Kirwan
Senior Heliman
Location: RichmondTx

Cam could you speak a little about battery resistance and what to look for.
I knew you could do a better job of describing the DUO.

Jerry
07-05-2008 04:31 AM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

Battery Resistance...

You want a battery that will hold it’s voltage as high as possible for as long as possible.
A lower internal resistance means a higher terminal voltage – and less of the battery’s energy is wasted pushing amps through itself.

You can’t “look” for anything when choosing a battery, you can only use an Eagle Tree or similar to see how the battery discharges in-flight. Flying packs back-to-back will always give you an immediate indication of what you got for your money AND it’s worth more than that because you got it first hand.

Bigger batteries with more capacity will always give you a bigger punch. More mAh and C rating is more Amps. So a bigger capacity is also like having a lower internal resistance.

I can get away with using a 3700 on a helicopter but I really should use a 5000 because the heli can happily throw the extra weight around and the 5000’s will have a much longer life because they will not be stressed like the 3700’s.
07-05-2008 09:10 AM
 
 
Jerry Kirwan
Senior Heliman
Location: RichmondTx

Cam

Have the DUO boot up in position 1 vs position 2

Jerry
07-05-2008 10:57 PM
 
 
electricdurango
Veteran
Location: Sterling, VA

400watt power supply. Is that around 30 AMPS!

I hope thats to use full blown power on large count lipos. I was going to run the duo on my 20 amp and just charge 2 3s 2200's at one time.

I may have to sell my Triton, Polycharge 4, robbe, and 2 TP balancers. This should take the blow off the inital cost of the duo.

450se v2
07-05-2008 11:45 PM
 
 
Jerry Kirwan
Senior Heliman
Location: RichmondTx

Electric

I run a 40 amp for both DUO's with an analog ampmeter. For 2200 you should have no problems, that should only take 8-10a PS. One nice thing is that you can program in your PS amperage which is what I did prior to the upgrade. You won't be sorry and won't miss the others. If you do buy a larger PS get a 40a

Jerry
07-06-2008 01:20 AM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

Jerry

You mean what Port’s screen is shown when you turn the DUO on? It will show whatever screen it was on last.

Electricdurango

Yes, a 600W PSU is for charging two 6S 5000 packs at the same time. You’ll be fine with a 20 Amp PSU charging 3S 2200 packs.

There is a program feature in the DUO where you tell it what the max outputs of your PSU are – this prevents the charger from blowing your PSU. For example you can set it to “15v and 40A” But setting it too much lower than your PSU’s ratings may slow-down your charging.
07-06-2008 05:24 AM
 
 
Jerry Kirwan
Senior Heliman
Location: RichmondTx

Cam

I used the term position but the DUO is marked Ch. when I boot up both V1.0 and V1.5 they start in Ch2 {always} and I place batterys from left to right.{may be that is the problem but I cannot go up-down} Then I press the charge button and it tells me "charge start no balancer". then I have to switch to Ch1 and restart

Jerry
07-06-2008 02:19 PM
 
 
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