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Avant Aurora - EFX - FX > 611 or 770 or Spartan
 
 
culverdan
Heliman
Location: american canyon,CA

So

What it would seem is that Im getting a lot of guys saying the Spartan is the way to go on this bird. I have a post up in the Avant thing as well. But so far Spartan seem to be the choice. Would I be correct in saying this??? There are a few saying the Soild G is the way to go but its seems as if the Spartan is what you guys are saying. So it would look like I need to hear more feed back but it seems that the 611 is a no go from what you guys are saying.

Well I think I can fly it..............UH OH OOPS heres your heli.
07-03-2008 04:01 AM
 
 
Jason Bell
Elite Veteran
Location: San Diego, Ca

The 611 is still a great gyro, holds great, and all the other stuff, but its just been knocked down on the totem pole a couple of ranks now with the Spartan and Solid G on the block.

Once flying a Spartan or Solid G, then going back to the 611, you will feel as if the 611 has expo, and might be able to tell that the piros are inconsistant.

You cant go wrong with any of the three gyros.

Team Avant
Team ElyQ
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Vblades
07-03-2008 04:22 AM
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Locktite
Senior Heliman
Location: N.J

I am interested in trying a Solid-G out..I have a Spartan and logictech now, but may give the solid-G a shot on my Vibe 50 after reading this thread...
07-03-2008 05:27 AM
 
 
student
Heliman
Location: bergamo italy

what about the logictech 6100t? i have one on my 600n and it's awesome!
siply to set up, consistent piro rate, small weightless
07-03-2008 04:08 PM
 
 
creightoncarr
Veteran
Location: Missouri City, Texas - USA

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I am interested in trying a Solid-G out..I have a Spartan and logictech now, but may give the solid-G a shot on my Vibe 50 after reading this thread.

You won't be disappointed. But - be prepared to spend more money because after you fly it you'll likely want to replace your other gyros with the Solid-G as well.
07-03-2008 04:12 PM
 
 
culverdan
Heliman
Location: american canyon,CA

So what tail servo

With the solid G I was looking at them last night can you run the ds8900 on it. They talk about the ds8700 but what about 8900. Also I dont know where to look for the spartan as a few places I've looked are out, Again can you run the 8900. Guess my tail will be regulated as I guess none of these can really run at 8v aslo just picked up the spektrum AR7100R this should be nice on the Aurora or atleast I hope it will be

Well I think I can fly it..............UH OH OOPS heres your heli.
07-04-2008 12:49 AM
 
 
creightoncarr
Veteran
Location: Missouri City, Texas - USA

Yes the 8900 works fine. Just set it to the 8700 option.
07-04-2008 12:51 AM
 
 
creightoncarr
Veteran
Location: Missouri City, Texas - USA

Look at these two threads regarding the AR7100R's:

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t440566p1/
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t439198p1/

I had the antennas break off two AR7100R receivers. Ended up putting hot glue around the antenna on the third. It may or may not happen to you, but I would rather be safe than sorry, especially since you likely won't know something is wrong until it's too late.
07-04-2008 12:53 AM
 
 
Buzzin Brian
Elite Veteran
Location: College Station, Texas

FYI The Solid-G has a selection for the 8900G servo AND the 8700G, so actually both servos are supported and actually have different frame rates just so you know. Also the Solid-G is rated to 7 volts. I have spoken to people running them on 8 volts and they claim there are no issues. We have NOT tested that theory and do NOT claim this to be its rated voltage, but again I have spoken to people that say they are doing it just fine. The issue is not the gyro, its the servo. The tail servo is the component that will NOT take 8 volts not matter what. The tail servo will not even take the 7 volts the Solid-G is rated at. Hence why we suggest putting a step down between the RUDDER channel lead from the Solid-G and the receiver. (The aux channel lead does NOT pull power) What this does is it regulates the gyro to the step downs voltage based on how much voltage the step down reduces. (that does NOT always mean the voltage number it says on the side by the way) This now is passed on to the servo through the Solid-G and everyone is happy and voltage safe.

Another FYI would be how we actually rig our stuff. We use a Duralite 5.3 volt regualtor for everything! No step downs, and no direct voltage issues. One regualtor with no switches to fail or brown out and no frills, and I can honestly say the things just work and work well. But thats another story all together!

Brian

Build it, fly it, crash it. Repeat as often as needed.
07-04-2008 07:56 AM
 
 
tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

Spartan also supports specifically the 8900G and 8700G among other twenty servo types (including the Logictech line of servos). Besides that if you happen to have a servo that isn't specifically listed you can set it up anyway by providing speed and pulse width.

About the "rated voltage" stuff. Personally I wouldn't risk it. Its one thing to run human controlled servos above recommended voltage settings (read cyclic servos) and another to run processor controlled servos (read tail and throttle). Computer controlled servos will move at a continuous high rate which coupled with an overvoltage condition will at least shorten the servo's life considerably not to mention that failures will happen sooner or later.

Duralite regs hum? Personally, after opening one and seeing what is inside and how it was assembled, I'm not installing one in my machines unless I modify them first to my likings and assure minimum safety.

$0.02

Tony


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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."
07-04-2008 11:00 AM
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baby_zyklon
Key Veteran
Location: Singapore

tchavei and locktite,how does the logictech and spartan compare, in terms of holding performance, center feel and piro consistency? Might try one if the spartan is a lot better like many have said.

I haven't tried the spartan, but comparing the solid-g + BLS251 combo to the logictech, I have the say the solid-g combo is a much better gyro, even for someone who is miles away from pro standard. So there is no need to be a pro to feel the difference. It just feels right from the very first flight, from the very first time you do a piro with it. And its so easy to set up, no trim or linkage to adjust, just center the tail, set the limit and heli model and its done. Center feel wise, the solid-g is somewhere between futaba and logictech, so it does require expo, but not a lot. Piro rate for the same atv is quite a lot faster than the 6100t.

In terms of holding performance, both are pretty good, with the solid-g being slightly better, especially when I loose a bit of headspeed. Piro stops are precise and yet not hard. There is no bounce or hard-stops like the 6100t. In terms of piro consistency, the solid-g is amazing, simply solid. Even when the rotor load(and rpm) is changing(like in a badly managed piro flip), the tail just goes round and round in a constant rate. Not that the piro consistency of the 6100t is bad, but the solid-g is noticeably better. In a sense, the solid-g makes 3d flying easier. So far, I have only had one flight on the solid-g and I am already considering replacing the 6100t. Both were tried on the very same heli, so the only variable was the gyro.

As for logictech servo support, I believe in the spartan and solid-g, the settings is basically the same as the 9251/9256. Base on that, I tried the 6100t with the BLS251, it seems to work normally like how it should, but I don't have the courage to fly it.
07-04-2008 12:37 PM
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tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

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how does the logictech and spartan compare, in terms of holding performance, center feel and piro consistency?

Don't try to open a can of worms... after my personal experience with the 6100t, I have sworn I would never own one again (customer support etc)

Anyway, in terms of performance, its night and day. I never managed to blow out the tail on a spartan but I easily could with a 6100t in fast backwards inverted flight with the tail slightly offset from center. The Logictech feels different from other gyros so needs to get used to. The spartan feels much more linear and consistent. Piros are more consistent in my opinion as I've noted some issues with lateral wind on the 6100t.

I can't see myself moving anywhere soon after owning a spartan.

Tony


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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."
07-04-2008 12:55 PM
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Locktite
Senior Heliman
Location: N.J

Well today I swapped out my Logictech in my Vibe 50 with a Solid-G and what a difference..The Solid-G is just locked in where as the logictech had a tendency to drift and was very sensitive and the tail would have some vibes from the servo twitching..With the Solid-G the tail is so smooth and rock-solid, piro's are so consistent. Not to mention it is super easy to program.I have found my new Favorite Gyro to go along with my Spartan...
07-04-2008 10:52 PM
 
 
buburub
Senior Heliman
Location: Bayside, NY

The Futaba GY611 has now turned into the modern day 401. The new breed of gyros are all very capable (Solid G, Spartan, 770). Out of the 3 the Solid G is out in front in terms of setup and feel but the Spartan is not that far behind. Bottom line...stop screwing around nagga and get the Solid G!
Bub
07-04-2008 11:47 PM
 
 
tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

I rather spend extra 20 seconds configuring the spartan and save the excess weight from the solid-G but thats just me. Never flown a solid-G so I can't comment on its performance. I decided for the spartan because of the feedback I got from other users, Angelos answering ALL my questions in a matter of minutes (even at 2am on a sunday night) and Mark making me a good deal and some really important favours in terms of delivery.


Tony


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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."
07-05-2008 12:46 AM
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RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

On a 50/90 the difference in weight between the two was negligible in flight. Heck, I have a Solid G on my Rex 500 and have flown a Spartan on a friends Rex 500, plenty of power to go around on both even on a heli that small. Solid G is cheaper per unit as well with performance on par or better
(subject to opinions )

Chris
Rex 500 A123 Power

Forever Brothers
Mickey Tylo
07-05-2008 02:13 AM
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tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

The spartan vs solid-g debate won't bring us nowhere. We can beat this to death and still we won't reach any conclusions.



Tony


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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."
07-05-2008 02:33 AM
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RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

I think we can at least get a few more pages outta it , lol. They are both great gyros no doubt. I don't really think you can go wrong with either, whateva floats your boat

Chris
Rex 500 A123 Power

Forever Brothers
Mickey Tylo
07-05-2008 02:39 AM
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buburub
Senior Heliman
Location: Bayside, NY

All I am saying is try a friends ship with a solid G in it. Then it will go somewhere and we don't need to continue the beating

Bub
07-05-2008 02:42 AM
 
 
tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

Over my dead cold body lol. After what I had to go through to get my spartan I'm not opening my hands on it no matter what you guys say.

Besides, there are certain features in the spartan that just make the rest look like pre-historic gizmos. Unfortunately I can't tell you more but believe me. I wouldn't trade mine for two solid-G's

Tony


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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."
07-05-2008 02:50 AM
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