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Stet
Elite Veteran
Location: Long Beach CA

"email, EVERY form of communication that you or (pay close attention) I use is being surveilled by the Bush Administration 24 hours a day"


Nobody gives a snort about your conversation, unless of course you are placing calls to known terrorists overseas. If you are calling Beirut or Pakistan then as far as I am concerned they can do whatever they wish with you. Maybe the "black bag crowd" will stick a needle in your neck and you will quietly disappear into a wood chipper, feeding the fish in a Louisiana swamp.

You think you are very important, but really you are anything but. Insulting, inarticulate, paranoid, exaggerating, I could go on all day. Not exactly an intellectual or a cult of personality.

But please continue to fantasize that you are some sort of Abbey Hoffman, Weather Underground style fanatic, or some world changing leftist radical like Che or Pol Pot.

Are my calls being monitored? Answer: no.

keepin' it real
06-30-2008 04:07 AM
 
 
LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

fiveo

Not as broad as I suggest? You havent been paying attention...

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/NSA_q...ogram_0310.html

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/17/bush.nsa/

Your phony requirement for me to show a personal incident is a red herring...the fact is the program exists and we are all subject to being surveilled at anytime...

it has been widely reported that every form of communication we use is being surveilled our own govt.

Welcome to the land of the free, formerly the home of the brave...
06-30-2008 04:18 AM
 
 
fiveoboy01
Veteran
Location: Waunakee, WI - USA

Lou, let me repeat this, I'd like your input:

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Are you saying that the stories of confiscation in New Orleans were simply made up to further the cause of paraniod propaganda?

There is at least ONE individual in Congress(Republican or Democrat, I'll let you guess) who has openly advocated EXACTLY what you're speaking of.... Do you really believe that not one other individual in Congress agrees with that view?

Also,

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Your phony requirement for me to show a personal incident is a red herring...the fact is the program exists and we are all subject to being surveilled at anytime...

Would you not agree that "subject to" and "are being" are two different things?

I take it that you haven't caught "them" performing survelliance on yourself then?

Trex 450SA blinged, Trex 600N, DX7
06-30-2008 04:22 AM
 
 
Stet
Elite Veteran
Location: Long Beach CA

Don't expect a rational analytical response. Just a bunch of blow hard anti-establishment hot air that "not smell good"

keepin' it real
06-30-2008 04:24 AM
 
 
LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

Ron,

Control means not allowing wackos to get assault rifles, grenades, and stinger missiles. It doesn't mean banning weapons for personal protection.

Feinstein is grandstanding obviously. She knows there is not support for an outright ban.

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If you feel the Govt is easdropping on you illegally...What makes this idea to far fetched?

Are you totally detached from reality? The govt IS eavesdropping on us because Bush singlehandedly approved it. Bush is nowhere near confiscating guns. THat's the chasm that youre not seeing. Shocker...

I cant believe I have to explain these minor details to you.And thats what my replies to you always end up being, explaining minor details that you dont get...
06-30-2008 04:31 AM
 
 
Stet
Elite Veteran
Location: Long Beach CA

You just go deeper and deeper into absurdity. Bush singlehandedly approved it? No input from the House and Senate intel committees? No input from CIA? The cabbinet? Our allies? I guess you are not talking about the Patriot Act? FISA?

Pretty much a jackass plain and simple. It's too easy to see right through your delusions of grandeur.

keepin' it real
06-30-2008 04:36 AM
 
 
fiveoboy01
Veteran
Location: Waunakee, WI - USA

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Feinstein is grandstanding obviously. She knows there is not support for an outright ban.

I'd agree that there is very little support for an outright ban.

But how do you know that she's grandstanding?

Given the chance, and if the decision were in her hands, do you believe she'd implement a ban/confiscation or not?

Trex 450SA blinged, Trex 600N, DX7
06-30-2008 04:38 AM
 
 
LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

Stet,

Most of your posts are nothing more than halfwitted nonsense which amount to nothing more than you behaving like a 5 yr old digging his heels in saying "NUH-UH! Whatever you say goes back to you!"

Are your phones being tapped? Answer: you don't know! I dont care what you believe, thats the real answer.
06-30-2008 04:38 AM
 
 
Stet
Elite Veteran
Location: Long Beach CA



Lou, I tire of your idiotic paranoid and ugly ramblings. Nobody is buying it.

keepin' it real
06-30-2008 04:39 AM
 
 
fiveoboy01
Veteran
Location: Waunakee, WI - USA

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Are your phones being tapped? Answer: you don't know! I dont care what you believe, thats the real answer.

Generally the burden of proof is on the individual making the accusation in the affirmative, right?

One more time, as you seem to be cherry picking through my questions:

Would you not agree that "subject to" and "are being" are two different things?

I take it that you haven't caught "them" performing survelliance on yourself then?

Trex 450SA blinged, Trex 600N, DX7
06-30-2008 04:40 AM
 
 
Stet
Elite Veteran
Location: Long Beach CA

Unsubstantiated

"The sound and fury of a babbling idiot signifying nothing"

Tell us more about your ex-wife.

keepin' it real
06-30-2008 04:42 AM
 
 
LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

fiveo,

Your question is irrelevant. Whether I can prove that I am personally being wiretapped is entirely irrelevant. The FACT is the program exists and we are ALL being surveilled at all times. If you were to read anything about this program (which Im sure you won't) you would already know that. They are using computers to sift through every phone call as it happens and they're looking for keywords. ...and we all know that computers never fail, right

It doesn't matter what you want to believe or how many times you ask me to prove that I am being wiretapped, the truth is it is real.


Im not familiar with all the details in New Orleans but if I remember correctly there was complete chaos in the streets. Do you really think its a great idea to have guns floating around freely when law enforcement is nowhere to be found and food and supplies are scarce and people are getting to the point where they're willing to kill others to get it?

That was an extreme case and you know it. It was a natural disaster.

so whats your point and why are you trying to compare that to any normal situation? I suppose it's because you think it will prove your point somehow?

and you'd be wrong...
06-30-2008 04:51 AM
 
 
LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

Stet,

You're nothing more than an uneducated right wing bomb thrower.

Your "arguments" are based in nothing more than rage over your incompetence in life.


If you actually read something once in a while you'd see that you are completely uninformed and apparently, happily so...

the link I provided spelled out how bush singlehandedly and secretly allowed the NSA to wiretap american citizens domestic calls, over and over and over...

sit on that and spin genius...
06-30-2008 04:53 AM
 
 
electriciancarl
Veteran
Location: Mesa, Az.

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They are using computers to sift through every phone call as it happens and they're looking for keywords.
That sounds like a quote from Gene Hackman in Enemy of the State. Good movie if you can maintain the separation between fantasy and reality.

Yes there is monitoring of select communications of people with middle eastern connections. There is no reason to think anybody is going to waste time monitoring the mindless ramblings of Joe Nobody. Is it questionable? Maybe. Is it successful? I haven't seen any buildings blowing up or getting hit by planes recently, call that a yes.

Face it, if the Patriot Act was not in place you would be the first to blame Bush for not doing enough if we were attacked again.

Selling my Big Bore 600N
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06-30-2008 05:11 AM
 
 
RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

Lou

Quote 
Ron,

Control means not allowing wackos to get assault rifles, grenades, and stinger missiles. It doesn't mean banning weapons for personal protection.

Feinstein is grandstanding obviously. She knows there is not support for an outright ban.

Lou, you made a claim that they are advocating CONTROLS on gun ownership, not confiscation of guns...

I then provide PROOF of a leader of the anti gun movement saying she indeed DID want to confiscate all guns.

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"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an out right ban,
picking up every one of them... "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,
"I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."
--U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), CBS-TV's "60 Minutes," 2/5/95

Your argument there has been invalidated.

In addition, I asked you
Quote 
If you feel the Govt is easdropping on you illegally...What makes this idea to far fetched?

You responded with nothing that looked like the question asked.

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I cant believe I have to explain these minor details to you.And thats what my replies to you always end up being, explaining minor details that you dont get...

Actually the only person here who missed anything was YOU. I asked you a simple question and you:

1. Refused to answer it.
2. Went off on some crazy tangent.
3. Started making lame insults.

Again....Care to try and:

1. Answer the question asked.
2. Refrain from some crazy tangent.
3. Refrain from the lame insults.

If you can't do those simple tasks...Don't bother to reply.
06-30-2008 05:21 AM
 
 
Stet
Elite Veteran
Location: Long Beach CA

Bachellor of Science in Engineering from Arizona State University

And you Lou? Do I recall that you majored in Liberal Arts?

keepin' it real
06-30-2008 05:45 AM
 
 
LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

Carl,

Bush has said that the calls were only involving international calls but that turned out to be a lie. The program includes millions of domestic calls between American citizens and have nothing to do with terrorists or international calls at all.

Try to separate what Bush says from reality...and please read the links provided.

This program goes beyond the Patriot Act because he singlehandedly ordered the NSA to do these widespread DOMESTIC wiretaps on American citizens.

ROn,

THere you go again, you get trounced so you pretend that you have won the argument and that I am not answering some question of yours.

Feinstein might REALLY want to ban guns...and I WANT a million dollars..it doesn't mean its going to happen...

Politicians have been known to grandstand, and its easy to do when you know what youre talking about is not politically possible. Just like when Bush pretended he wanted to overturn Roe v Wade and then did nothing of the sort...its about staying in power...

BTW, if you cant decipher my posts, and you're going to require another long explanation of minute details, do not bother responding to my post...you cant win an argument so you resort to trying to frustrate the other person by trying to focus on minutiae. Your tactics are lame...don't try it again...
06-30-2008 05:53 AM
 
 
LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

Stet,

So you know how to do high math...BFD, how does that qualify you to intelligently discuss politics and policy?

My major WAS Political Science, thank you...
06-30-2008 05:54 AM
 
 
Stet
Elite Veteran
Location: Long Beach CA

What is that, other than a joke. Do you work in government? For campaigns? Design policy? Obviously not because you just shoot your mouth off.

A science degree teaches you how to think analytically, something you are not capable of. Obviously.

And obviously you cannot get along with people, so you have no role in leadership or management. Just exactly what do you do? Self employed? Unemployed?

keepin' it real
06-30-2008 05:58 AM
 
 
LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

Stet,

I have worked for Congressmen and other local politicians. I've even traveled to other states to help with Presidential campaigns. I plan on doing it again this time around.

Engineering is a very focused discipline, it is more of a vocation than an education. I'm sure you're good at analyzing things in your field. But that has nothing to do with using logic in the real world or analyzing public policy, obviously..

and did you say I have problems getting along with people? I haven't seen a more anti-social person on this board than you...
06-30-2008 06:08 AM
 
 
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