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Stet
Elite Veteran
Location: Long Beach CA

Anyone who has ever read the foundation documents regarding the second amendment would understand this truth, but liberals of course want to modify the constitution to fit "modern" realities as they see fit.

Now the DC gun ban is struck down. Funny that DC has the tightest ban, yet the one of the highest homicide rate by firearms. And of course they have plenty of excuses as to why (if the ban were national, there would not be the problem).

The constitution and bill of rights are proven fundamental truths. Thankfully the liberals are not the majority or our whole way of life on many fronts would be at risk to those who which to deny us our freedoms.



keepin' it real
06-26-2008 04:46 PM
 
 
Camp
Senior Heliman
Location: USA, Travelling

I'm glad the decided they way they did.
06-26-2008 05:29 PM
 
 
Pistol_Pete
Elite Veteran
Location: Tampa Bay non-Buccaneer

oh wow...another anti liberal post...what a surprise.

is evolution a new word to you?

funny how some of you advertise what you own...personally I like to keep the suspense...whether I do or dont and if, what.

Freedom? Sure when compared to other nations but in actuality you think you have it, but actually we dont. History proves that.

<><>...the lunatic is in my head...<><>
06-26-2008 06:14 PM
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Stet
Elite Veteran
Location: Long Beach CA

Please tell us which of your freedoms guaranteed by the constitution have been violated.

Evolution does not apply to scrapping our rights guaranteed by the constitution. If we lose those, we lose everything this country was built on.

keepin' it real
06-26-2008 10:08 PM
 
 
BJames111
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Location: Billings, Montana

Nice Steyr Stet, I always wanted one...darn expensive though

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06-26-2008 11:51 PM
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Pistol_Pete
Elite Veteran
Location: Tampa Bay non-Buccaneer

Privacy rights.

has your communications been monitored lately?

better believe it...after all our posting here

<><>...the lunatic is in my head...<><>
06-28-2008 05:41 PM
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LouInSD
Veteran
Location: San Diego CA USA

Dontcha just love when wingnuts spout the "Please tell us which of your freedoms bla bla bla"...proving that they aren't even aware of current events?

Hilarious...
06-28-2008 06:00 PM
 
 
Rotor
Key Veteran
Location: USA

BJ, Pistol and Lou. The three stooges strike again!

My motto is this..Fly...Rebuild...Fly
06-28-2008 10:02 PM
 
 
fiveoboy01
Veteran
Location: Waunakee, WI - USA

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is evolution a new word to you?

Pete, are you saying that man has evolved when he gives up a means of self-defense?

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Dontcha just love when wingnuts spout the "Please tell us which of your freedoms bla bla bla"...proving that they aren't even aware of current events?

Hilarious...

Lou, I'm relatively sure when they say your freedoms, they mean yours, not someone else's experiences. They're looking for an example of how it's affected you, not some article that you've read about someone else.

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06-28-2008 10:28 PM
 
 
jb_turner
Key Veteran
Location: USA

The second amendment does not give individuals the "the right to keep and bear arms" what it does is gives individuals of a well regulated Militia the right to keep and bear arms.
The Supreme Court got it wrong on this one and the ruling is a bit ambiguous. What we need is a twenty-eighth amendment that specifically provides individuals the right to "bear arms" without any type of exclusions (rapid fire, assault etc..)

JB "Do a SEARCH" Turner
06-29-2008 12:17 AM
 
 
Havoc
Key Veteran
Location: Ky.

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The second amendment does not give individuals the "the right to keep and bear arms" what it does is gives a individuals of a well regulated Militia the right to keep and bear arms
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In order to take the militia view is to ignore the context and terminology used when it was written. It was not to grant the right to bear arms. It was to preserve and guarantee the pre-existing right of individuals to keep and bear arms.
06-29-2008 12:45 AM
 
 
BJames111
Elite Veteran
Location: Billings, Montana

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BJ, Pistol and Lou. The three stooges strike again!

very clever!! I must admit I'm always in awe of Rotor's witt. You're a smarty!

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06-29-2008 02:26 AM
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fiveoboy01
Veteran
Location: Waunakee, WI - USA

I don't get it either Brian...

You said nothing inflammatory(in this thread anyhow )

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06-29-2008 02:43 AM
 
 
dick smith
Senior Heliman
Location: perth

Nice weapons bud, you must live in downtown baghdad , USA...............
06-29-2008 03:52 AM
 
 
tricid
Heliman
Location: Sherman, TX USA

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The second amendment does not give individuals the "the right to keep and bear arms" what it does is gives a individuals of a well regulated Militia the right to keep and bear arms

Linguistic scholars (for the most part), and thankfully, the supreme court now, seem to disagree with you.
06-29-2008 03:56 AM
 
 
jb_turner
Key Veteran
Location: USA

There are different ways to translate the second amendment this is why we need a new amendment that specifically addresses this issue so an individual can have any type of weapons.
I do not care what linguistic scholars think of this issue.

JB "Do a SEARCH" Turner
06-29-2008 04:08 AM
 
 
tricid
Heliman
Location: Sherman, TX USA

Oh I read up, I see that you're pro-gun (I think?), and I do agree that it is still interpreted too heavily on the side of restriction.

I disagree with your interpretation though. I think the amendment as is, is what you want, it was just written in old school english and our government/supreme court has twisted it's meaning for so long that it's almost useless now (in relation to the new amendment you'd like, which I agree for the most part).

From a purely linguistic standpoint though (no bias, no agenda), the amendment, as written, is very much stated as a personal right, with no implicit means of restriction, and no dependence on it being for a militia (really its the other way around, imo)

I think we're both on the same side though, I just think it already means what you want and the government needs to stop twisting it, and you think we just need a new one altogether to clarify. I'd be very satisfied with either as a solution lol
06-29-2008 04:15 AM
 
 
dick smith
Senior Heliman
Location: perth

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There are different ways to translate the second amendment this is why we need a new amendment that specifically addresses this issue so an individual can have any type of weapons.

Does this include grenade lauchers and weapons grade plutonium..........If you were serious about protecting your rights to bear arms , you wood be fighting for the right to bear all weapons that are available...

Cant you just sniff the aroma of a civil war
06-29-2008 04:30 AM
 
 
tricid
Heliman
Location: Sherman, TX USA

it's always lovely to see dick's ignorance in a gun thread.

I don't think, or haven't seen, anyone wanting the right to own nuclear weapons. Banning "assault" rifles, when that name on it's own has no real meaning other than to be used for propaganda efforts, is pretty lame though.
06-29-2008 04:36 AM
 
 
fiveoboy01
Veteran
Location: Waunakee, WI - USA

Those weapons weren't in existence at the time the Bill of Rights were written anyhow.

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06-29-2008 05:33 AM
 
 
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