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tadawson
Elite Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

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Once you land in normal mode (ie the mode that has a throttle curve 0-100), the MG will turn off when you bring throttle below a certain value. THe same thing applies when you take off. Only when you're at 80% or something of the target speed will the governor engage so you don't have to worry having a "hot start" and the governor engaging by itself.

Uh, NOT!!!!

My issue has nothing to do with turning on/off to takeoff/land, but to do with the desire/need to be able to fly either gov or curve in any flight mode and at any speed setting, with a simple flick of a single switch . . .

The stick position on/off you describe gives me exactly *nothing* for that . . .

- Tim

The more I touch electrics, the more I grow to hate them . . . .

06-26-2008 09:29 PM

tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

Well, you got Bob's attention. Work it out with him.

Tony

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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."

06-26-2008 09:49 PM

HOMEPAGE

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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My issue has nothing to do with turning on/off to takeoff/land, but to do with the desire/need to be able to fly either gov or curve in any flight mode and at any speed setting, with a simple flick of a single switch . . . The stick position on/off you describe gives me exactly nothing for that . . .

Earlier in this very thread you said you'd be happy with three speed settings and on/off. Now you want fully proportional. Make up your mind.

I'll reiterate that, IMHO, the success of the MG is directly related to its simplicity. The CSM RevLock 20 (which I have two of) can certainly do everything you want (proportional output including on/off) w/o hooking up a separate LCD never really caught on because, IMHO, it is too hard for most folks to setup and use.

06-26-2008 10:05 PM

tadawson
Elite Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

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Earlier in this very thread you said you'd be happy with three speed settings and on/off. Now you want fully proportional. Make up your mind.

Fully proportional is just another means by which I can accomplish three speed settings and on/off . . . please try to follow along . . . . just making suggestions to options that can resolve the issue.

- Tim

The more I touch electrics, the more I grow to hate them . . . .

06-27-2008 01:08 AM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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Fully proportional is just another means by which I can accomplish three speed settings and on/off . . . please try to follow along . . . . just making suggestions to options that can resolve the issue.

I'm following along. Apparently, you're the one who didn't conduct a thorough pre-purchase evaluation prior to purchasing the product. Now you want the product changed to work the way you think it should work. There really is no issue to resolve and I don't see anyone else complaining about your perceived issue.

06-27-2008 01:55 AM

tadawson
Elite Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

Nope, just offering suggestions to make an already good product potentially better . . . . product lifecycle improvements are a part of any design. This really started out as Tony offering a workaround for the issue, and then Bob making an offer, so I elaborated . . . then, it got kinda out of control when some fanboys decided that the product was perfect and that there should never, under any conditions, be any improvements or changes to it . . . and concluded that I must be evil for offering same . . .

**sheesh** Try to be helpful, and look what you get . . .

At any rate, I think those who care understand my suggestion (and that includes Bob) and the rest really don't matter than much . . . so, I am going to back out of this thread . . .

- Tim

The more I touch electrics, the more I grow to hate them . . . .

06-27-2008 05:28 AM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

I'm not sure what earth shattering technological breakthrough you think you discovered, but the CSM RevLock has had proportional output since its inception which was several years prior to the MG.

Considering the MG seems to be one of the most popular governors on the market right now it does not appear that your "issue" is impacting sales or customer satisfaction.

06-27-2008 05:42 AM

nwolsink
Heliman
Location: Barchem-Netherlands

where can I get a Mutigov Pro?? they are all sold out

http://slideshow.internetprojects.nl/

06-27-2008 07:02 PM

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tadawson
Elite Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

I just saw a note from Bob on another thread that they will have another batch ready for sale in 2 or 3 days on their site, as well as more shipments to dealers.

- Tim

The more I touch electrics, the more I grow to hate them . . . .

06-27-2008 07:12 PM

tadawson
Elite Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

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'm not sure what earth shattering technological breakthrough you think you discovered, but the CSM RevLock has had proportional output since its inception which was several years prior to the MG.

And the GV-1 would take proportional speed control well before that - so who cares? It's still a useful feature . . .

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Considering the MG seems to be one of the most popular governors on the market right now it does not appear that your "issue" is impacting sales or customer satisfaction.

But that does not in any way mean or imply that there still may not be a wee bit of room for improvement . . .

- Tim

The more I touch electrics, the more I grow to hate them . . . .

06-27-2008 07:13 PM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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But that does not in any way mean or imply that there still may not be a wee bit of room for improvement . . .

All depends on what you consider an improvement....

06-27-2008 08:06 PM

tadawson
Elite Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

More flexibility without detracting from the original capabilities is always an improvement . . . no question whatsoever. I have never indicated that I wanted to change what is there - just to augment it to make it more versatile.

Which, incidentally, Bob is going to do for me as soon as I get my unit back to him . . . so obviously there is some merit to my request . . .

- Tim

The more I touch electrics, the more I grow to hate them . . . .

06-27-2008 08:27 PM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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More flexibility without detracting from the original capabilities is always an improvement . . . no question whatsoever. I have never indicated that I wanted to change what is there - just to augment it to make it more versatile.

As previously iterated to you time and time again in this thread and what you fail to comprehend is that going to a proportional servo input to control the headspeed is also going to increase the setup complexity for the average user. Many users are looking for KISS.

From the post from Bob that I saw he said he would add a remote on/off on the aux port. If one extra headspeed is that big a deal to you then go for it. So far, you appear to be the only one to make that big a deal out of it. Off + 2 speeds versus off + 3 speeds isn't enough for me to get too excited about it.

06-27-2008 09:22 PM

tadawson
Elite Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

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As previously iterated to you time and time again in this thread and what you fail to comprehend is that going to a proportional servo input to control the headspeed is also going to increase the setup complexity for the average user. Many users are looking for KISS.

And what you don't seem to be able to pound into your head is that if they did it similar to the GV-1, it adds ZERO complexity and ZERO change to what is there now, AND STILL GIVES PROPORTIONAL CONTROL!

What would happen there is that you still set three speeds on the gov - just like now, but they are tied to the value of the select channel as well as the setting. So, for the KISS crowd, just flip Mr Flightmode switch and set away - pretty much the same as today. For those who want more, set a trim on that channel, and you can tune the speed around the set point.

Best of both worlds! Get it now? Or do I need to draw pictures too?

Just because you can't appear to grasp what I am talking about does not make it more complex or difficult . . .

- Tim

The more I touch electrics, the more I grow to hate them . . . .

06-27-2008 10:14 PM

ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

Add me to the short list wanting to be able to use my 12FG's capability to trim my headspeed in hover. This is a valuable capability to a contest flyer such as myself. I don't really need the master switch, though, as two speeds are all I need (provided I can trim the headspeed +/- 200 rpm proportionally).

06-28-2008 12:27 AM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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so, I am going to back out of this thread . . .

Timmy, truly a man of your word, again.

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And what you don't seem to be able to pound into your head is that if they did it similar to the GV-1, it adds ZERO complexity and ZERO change to what is there now, AND STILL GIVES PROPORTIONAL CONTROL!

Now, doesn't the GV-1 require an additional channel for on/off?

Now, with two channels required for the governor and a standard setup it appears anyone with a seven channel radio is SOL and I guess the DX-7 just isn't one of the most popular radios around either....

06-28-2008 12:48 AM

ErichF
Key Veteran
Location: Odessa, FL 33556 (Tampa Area)

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Now, doesn't the GV-1 require an additional channel for on/off?

Only if you need all three speeds...otherwise you can set speed one to OFF. If you use the Stick Switch function, you can still have all three speeds, but no master off switch in addition.

06-28-2008 01:10 AM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

Thanks for the clarification, ErichF.

06-28-2008 03:14 AM

tadawson
Elite Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

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Timmy, truly a man of your word, again.

Here we go again . . . you are clearly not correct, so instead of admitting that fact and moving on, you drop into the 5 year old condescending mode . . .

Nice . . .

When you grow up, and can think rationally and clearly, get back to me. I have no time to educate children on things that are basically obvious . . .

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I guess the DX-7 just isn't one of the most popular radios around either....I guess the DX-7 just isn't one of the most popular radios around either....

Can't tell you on that . . . I don't fly low end stuff - 9+ channels only here, thanks . . . Bottom line is with the flexibility I have been trying to get you to understand (albeit unsuccessfully) you can run in any of these ways with any number of channels . . . there is always a viable config, rather than locking out those that want to get a tad more elaborate - such as EricF, who basically has seconded the need for some type of proportional control/trim capability. Just because YOU can't see a need for it doesn't mean there isn't one . . .

- Tim

The more I touch electrics, the more I grow to hate them . . . .

06-28-2008 09:30 PM

Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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Here we go again . . . you are clearly not correct, so instead of admitting that fact and moving on, you drop into the 5 year old condescending mode . . . Nice . . . When you grow up, and can think rationally and clearly, get back to me. I have no time to educate children on things that are basically obvious . . .

Thanks, Timmy. Acting your age again I see....

And just so you know, the CSM RevLock is proportional with on/off and only uses one channel for speed selection and on/off.

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Just because YOU can't see a need for it doesn't mean there isn't one . . .

I didn't say there isn't a need for it. As previously mentioned my CSM RevLock 20's fully support it. Your ATG supports it and your GV-1 supports it.

However, when I buy a product I try to ensure it meets my requirements before purchasing it. What I don't do is buy a product and then go on-line and bitch about it for days on end because it doesn't work the way I want it to work.

06-28-2008 10:05 PM

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