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Gasser Model RC Helicopters > Amsoil Saber Pro vs. Belray H1R
 
 
jschenck
Elite Veteran
Location: La Vista, NE.

As posted in the tuning thread, I tried a tank of H1R and was surprised at how much cooler the engine runs. I wanted to use the Saber Pro but couldn't find it locally. Bill suggested that I choose an oil and stick with it, advice I will follow.

I ordered a quart of the Saber Pro from rc-bearings.com and have a quart of the H1R. Time for me to choose one for the heli and use the other for the chainsaw/weedeater/airplane.

opinions or experience with differences between these two?

...yep...
06-16-2008 02:03 PM
 
 
rbort
Elite Veteran
Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

While I heard Belray is very good

I've never tried it. It would be interesting to see temp differences between that and Amsoil. I'm sure the group here will want to know!

-=>Raja.

1005 Xcell Gas, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
Spectra-g, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
06-16-2008 03:13 PM
 
 
jschenck
Elite Veteran
Location: La Vista, NE.

That does it, I'm going to get my Bud nosen trainer in the air this week. I can use that as a test bed for various oils since I think tuning an engine is easier on an airplane. There are so many variables here such as the oil mix ratio and needle settings, rather experiment on that aircraft.

I do know that some of the guys running DA type engines like the H1R.

...yep...
06-16-2008 03:21 PM
 
 
TooBizzy
Senior Heliman
Location: Georgetown, Ohio USA

There are differences in the recommended mixtures in the two oils. Quoted from a Belray advertisement:

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This product is formulated for premix ratios ranging between 30:1 and 50:1. Follow the recommendation of the engine manufacturer. 40:1 is recommended for optimum performance in racing applications.

The Amsoil is rated at 100:1. Will be interesting to see if there is any noticable differences between the two since they both are total synthetic. Keep us posted.

P-Gasser Se, Raptor 50 Se Hyper, Raptor 30v2, Trex450se, 3dx450...
06-16-2008 04:49 PM
 
 
Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

I can't speak specifically to heli engines, but in my DA-100, I noticed that the engine had a noticeably smoother transition through the midrange when I switched from Amsoil 100:1 to Mobil 1 MX2T (fully synthetic racing oil). Talking to other people, what I noticed is common, the Amsoil engines don't throttle nearly as smoothly as engines running on other oils, and the consequence of that on the planes is that it's easier to hover, and do high alpha maneuvers where you are workign in the midrange a lot. Personally, I don't run Amsoil in anything anymore, performance is better on other oils, and the Amsoil doesn't give you as much of a cushion for tuning mistakes.


Nick Crego
I swear to God, I'll pistol whip the next guy that says Shenanigans
06-16-2008 05:25 PM
 
 
JETMAN
Senior Heliman
Location: WA

I run amzoil sabre 100:1 in my DA50, 100 and DA150 engines, idle to full throttle is instant.

Ill probably run something else in my pgasser though. Maybe Ill get some of that H1 and try it

www.3dfoamy.com
06-16-2008 10:45 PM
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litespeed600
Veteran
Location: St. Charles, Missouri

I have a bunch of 2 smoke toys and I have had bad luck with Bel-Ray. In one of my off road cars after sitting for a couple days after a ride I needed to repair the fuel tank. When I drained the gas first the gas came out and then the oil. It had seperated after 2 or 3 days. That's not good. I also noticed a lot more "spooge" (black nasty snotty stuff that comes from the exhaust!) than either the better honda oils or Amsoil. If you do run it make sure to shake the copter after it sits for a while and your gas can just to be on the safe side. As far as Bel-Ray protection I don't know anyone that has run it long enough to see what the protection is like. I have seen rebuilds after Honda, Amsoil and Klotz and they protect well. No rusty bearings or spooge in the bottom ends. These are on 60 to 110 hp 2 stroke snowmobile powered cars not lawnmowers or weedeaters so they are "proven oils" in my humble opinion.

Here's a picture of my toys,

Tom



I'm married so you know I am no stranger to pain!
06-16-2008 11:14 PM
 
 
JETMAN
Senior Heliman
Location: WA

always wanted to build one of those superlight type buggies!

www.3dfoamy.com
06-16-2008 11:41 PM
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Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

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I run amzoil sabre 100:1 in my DA50, 100 and DA150 engines, idle to full throttle is instant.

Same on mine, it's the slow changes in the mid range that are smoother on oils other than Amsoil. It's especially noticeable on things like rolling harriers.


Nick Crego
I swear to God, I'll pistol whip the next guy that says Shenanigans
06-16-2008 11:42 PM
 
 
JETMAN
Senior Heliman
Location: WA

hmm ok. My rolling harries dont seem to mind, Im at sea level, maybe mine run better down here or are tuned better. I dont know. It works perfect is all I know.

www.3dfoamy.com
06-16-2008 11:48 PM
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xcellgasman101
Elite Veteran
Location: WOODWARD, OKLA....

Nick, I use the same mix on my heli as I do my 35% Carden Cap 232, Brisson 6.4 twin, and I have never had a problem with transtitions,, Always very smooth and right when you tell it to,, Now if your running rich or lean, then yes you can hear and see a differance, but I have never had any trouble with Amsoil, the 231 that I sent to Hanson, after 5 years of hard flying, and AP work on it, Al asked me what I was useing and how much, After I told him I was running Amsoil at 2oz. per gallon, he said,, ( You must really know how to tune) the engine was in great shape, with little carbon build up, and this engine caught heck from me, I used to 3D the heli, before I made it into a AP ship, then Carrying around a AUW of 25 to 26lbs, It was still in great shape, The only reason I sent it to him was to upgrade it to a 260 Pro Plus, There is NOTHING wrong with Amsoil, It all comes down to tunning the engine, XGM/VGM

John Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
06-16-2008 11:55 PM
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Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

Guys, I never said that I had a problem, or said not to run Amsoil. Mine ran fine before, and after. The difference is that it runs a bit smoother and transitions better in the mid range since I changed from Amsoil. Never said it was a night and day difference, or anything like that, I just said it has a smoother transition now.

I never thought it wasn't smooth before, but after switching I noticed that it was better, and after talking to a few other guys who had a similar experience, it became apparent that it wasn't just me. If you are happy with your Amsoil, great. So was I, then I bought an Evo 26GT that specifically says not to run Amsoil due to something with the lower bearings, and in the interest of not carrying multiple jugs of gasoline around, I switched in everything. If you were to run a few tanks of my fuel mix in your planes, you'd notice the same thing. When tuned well, it is smoother in the midrange with MX2T.


Nick Crego
I swear to God, I'll pistol whip the next guy that says Shenanigans
06-17-2008 12:12 AM
 
 
xcellgasman101
Elite Veteran
Location: WOODWARD, OKLA....

I will say this,, what ever oil your using, and having good results with, stick with it, if you ask 10 gasser guys a question, your going to get 10 different answers, if it works, great, stick with it!!! As I'm sure with the tech, today, there all pretty good at what they do, if following the manufactures suggestions,,,XGM/VGM

John Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
06-17-2008 12:31 AM
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GREYEAGLE
Veteran
Location: Sioux City IA

Whats the difference between HR-1 and MC-1 ??

I been running the MC-1 for several years going back to my Byron days
and absolutley love the elixer.

MC-1 Just say's 2- cycle Synthetic Racing Lubricant -

Is their a significant difference ?? What's HR-1 " hot Rod ? "

I'll try to get some temp data at the end of the week.

GREYEAGLE
06-17-2008 03:12 AM
 
 
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