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Synergy R/C Synergy N9 > can't get the GV1 to work on N9
 
 
richstev
Heliman
Location: us

firstly GV-1 is working on other helis so I suppose to know the basic setup I have read and re-read dozen other posts on GV1 here and tried to find fault. Still Just can't get the GV1 working N9, rpm dislay shows 50 to 100 rpm when i spin the clutch bell by hand. that means sensor, magnets are fine. flux strength show 90+% for one of the magnets. Did hard reset and re keyed the values. Swcd goes on as I increase the throttle. and swicthes ON and OFF on gear switch.

What am I missing?
05-21-2008 07:56 AM
 
 
Shawn Pierce
Senior Heliman
Location: Galliano, La.

From what i remembered make sure all throtle curves are linerar first so that it knows the full travel of your servo. make sure you have your atv's set to as close as 100 as possible. it should work.

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05-21-2008 11:33 AM
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Chuckie
Key Veteran
Location: Crofton Maryland, MHA member

Adjust your normal throttle curve to within 200 rpm of your GV speed. So if you want to run 1850 then have normal, no GV, headspeed set to at least 1650.

Charles

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05-21-2008 12:26 PM
 
 
wings19
Veteran
Location: Traverse City, MI

Just to throw out another suggestion... If it is new, is the engine too rich? I recently had this problem with my N9 and GV-1. It would go into idle-up intermittently and I thought it was the gov but my engine was still too rich. Leaned it out more and it is fine. Just a thought.

Nick
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05-21-2008 01:20 PM
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bkervaski
Key Veteran
Location: Birmingham, AL, USA

YS91SR? I had this problem and I thought it was the governor but it was simply just bad tuning on my part.

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05-21-2008 02:35 PM
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richstev
Heliman
Location: us

thanks for inputs.

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Shawn Pierce
checked, Throtle curve is linear. No binding and full travel. ATV is -125 & +100. Will correct it to +/- 100. thanks.

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Adjust your normal throttle curve to within 200 rpm of your GV speed. So if you want to run 1850 then have normal, no GV, headspeed set to at least 1650.

It is within limit. it is another thing that head rpm cannot touch 2000 even without GV.

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. If it is new, is the engine too rich? I
25+ flights. I feel enigne rpm is low, its 20% Nitro. and OS No 8 glow plug, should I change to Enya No #3? Will it help? I cannot get 2000head rpm . pitch is +/-11.

I'll tach it next time and tune the engine...

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YS91SR?
Its OS91sz

I am using stock gear and ratio set 8.4, is that fine?
05-21-2008 06:11 PM
 
 
Chuckie
Key Veteran
Location: Crofton Maryland, MHA member

The gv doesn't like a bad servo arm setup, carb arm setup, or radio atv setup. When you set the low and high if it takes then you are very close.

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It is within limit. it is another thing that head rpm cannot touch 2000 even without GV.

Why 2000? If true then something is wrong with your throttle/pitch setup. Set 100% throttle at 3/4 stick position and the motor should be screaming over 2000 at takeoff. Just joking.

Here is my entire procedure for setting the throttle servo, link length, radio settings, etc. I use the ATG now but this works for the GV1.

1) Mount ball on servo arm at same length as throttle arm on carb. I use outer hole on YS carb arm but for other engines just have the same distance on the servo arm as the carb arm.

2) Set tx so throttle servo is at 50% output. It helps to have a flat throttle curve at 50% that way the tx stick position doesn't matter. On my 14mz I can see the tx stick position as an input and servo output position regardless of the curve selected. I'll just move the throttle stick to get 50% out, same for JR radios.

3) Mount servo arm so you see throttle rod is 90 degree at servo. If using the + servo arm or 6 point arm rotate arm until you find the right position. Install servo screw.

4) Set throttle rod length so servo arm and carb arm are parallel with each other and throttle rod is 90 on each side. Don't worry about the actual carb barrel position at this time.

5) Set Tx ATVs to 100% high and low.

6) Set tx throttle trim to full low. Yes don't use center trim as you need to find and set the kill position. In the tx check trim type for throttle to make sure top of servo throw is not affected by trim position.

7) With the screw snug on the carb arm but a little loose adjust tx ATVs until you can get carb barrel to be fully open and full closed with even number ATVs (it helps to not snap the link onto the carb arm so you can see how the link matches the ball position on each side). Leaving the carb arm snug allows you to adjust the barrel relative to the arm as needed to match the throttle rod link. If the screw is too loose then you could loose the barrel position. With the throttle rod disconnected rotate to tighten the screw, let the barrel reach the end and then hold the arm while fully tightening the screw. Use the barrel stopping point to hold the barrel as you tighten the screw.

8) Rise tx throttle trim 1/3 distance from fully closed to mark on carb (woops this is for YS motors). Or remember you need to raise the trim when you first start the motor to set a good idle.

9) Set throttle kill so carb goes to full closed position.

10) Start engine and adjust tx trim for good idle. Check engine kill feature.

11) Reset governor High and Low or OFF position.

12) Adjust normal throttle curve so you have a "J" curve, at 50% throttle set servo for 35 to 40% (at 40 it should/ may match the mark but don't worry if it doesn't), at 75% throttle the servo can be set for 55 to 65% (depending on what rpm you want for hover with gov off).

**** 12 steps that's a lot. 7 is the hardest part as the barrel always moved on me until I figured this out.

Charles

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05-21-2008 06:33 PM
 
 
richstev
Heliman
Location: us

Chuckie,

Thanks for all the inputs.

I can see from your suggestions, I need to fix the ATV, And re adjust throttle linkage. reset the GV1 settings. I take care of step 12 & 7. Thanks for all the advice again and let u know the result once i fly this weekend.
05-22-2008 04:14 AM
 
 
Rymps
Senior Heliman
Location: Indianapolis and Windsor CO

Set your limit on the throttle stick. What i mean set the Idle, High and Stop on the GV-1. I have had th esame problem as you and it need to be set with every model. If you move you GV-1 to a different heli you will need to do it again.

Here is a tip: When setting the idle on the GV-1 make sure your throttle stick is between 25-30% throttle. This will keep the the throttle open a little bit when the rotor disk is unloaded and the motor won't feel like the motor shut off when the rotor disk it trying to over speed. This will help when you go back to throttle. Make sure you end points are at 100%.
05-22-2008 06:21 AM
 
 
richstev
Heliman
Location: us

Rymps
good tip, I tried it on another heli where Gv1 is working fine and I could see the difference. thanks.

Back to N9, NO LUCK I did set the ATV to 100%. Re-corrected the servo travel, reset the Idle, High & low values on Gv1 and other seeting as recommended here. I 've checked that servo travel for full carb movement. religiously checked all of chuckies inputs.

Now one thing I noticed that after flying for a minute or so and checked the Max rpm setting on the GV1 before switching the Rx Off. And it shows "0 RPM" what does that mean?

Looks like I am doing something really stupid driving me nuts...
05-26-2008 04:30 AM
 
 
Rymps
Senior Heliman
Location: Indianapolis and Windsor CO

If that is zero, what is your sensor %? Do you pick up both sensors or just one?
05-26-2008 04:35 AM
 
 
richstev
Heliman
Location: us

I have put two magnets. On one it is 4% and other 97%.
05-26-2008 06:17 AM
 
 
Chuckie
Key Veteran
Location: Crofton Maryland, MHA member

richstev,

You said "Swcd goes on as I increase the throttle. and swicthes ON and OFF on gear switch." I don't have the manual but I remember that after these two switches are set you hit the + key and on the next display you can check to see that the GV will be on when the th is above idle AND the on/off switch is set On. This display confirms that your switch combination. Does this third display setting appear to be working?

Charles

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05-27-2008 02:19 AM
 
 
richstev
Heliman
Location: us

Yes sir.. it does confirm it is working

Here are the GV1 Display values
1850rS1 [normal flight mode]
Disp Rot
Grt 8.27
SWpt OFF [when gear switch is OFf]
SWpt ON [when gear wsitch is ON]
StSw is OFF [when throttle is MIN]
StSw is ON [when throtle is more than 30%]
SWcd is ON [Only when throtle is >30% & Gear switch is ON]
GvOf INH
MxMd Gov
ATVA1 100%
MTrim INH
Msx Norm
B/FS ACT
B/FD 23%

Sen 4% for One magnet & 97% for the other
05-27-2008 07:51 AM
 
 
Chuckie
Key Veteran
Location: Crofton Maryland, MHA member

richstev,

Well this is a good one, still no joy?

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Now one thing I noticed that after flying for a minute or so and checked the Max rpm setting on the GV1 before switching the Rx Off. And it shows "0 RPM" what does that mean?

The gv display never gave me a max reading if I just did one climbout and land to check the display. I would have to fly around and get into the motor hard before I would see a max value.

I'm not sure what else to suggest. When setting low (or just off idle), high, and kill does the display give you an error message or does it look like your settings took ok?

Maybe the sensor is bad in that when the motor is running vibration causes a disconnect in a wire or something. If you tried this GV in another heli and it works fine then try switching things around to see if you can isolate the problem.

Charles

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05-27-2008 12:43 PM
 
 
richstev
Heliman
Location: us

Yes, it is silly I still can't resolve it...

No, the Idle, high and kill test works fine and no error when set.

I have a new GV1, so let me put the new GV1 with a new sensor and see as you suggest and hope it works this time, thanks mate
05-27-2008 03:55 PM
 
 
Rymps
Senior Heliman
Location: Indianapolis and Windsor CO

I think the sensor is fine, but i think the GV-1 is Dead. Sorry.
05-28-2008 11:57 PM
 
 
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