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Main Discussion > os 50 hyper engine
 
 
LAUNCHPAD 86
New Heliman
Location: Mulberry, FL U.S.A

I am running a os 50 in my century bell 222 kit I purchased from century. When at idle, there is fuel coming out of the carb and leaking down onto the head. Also at half throttle I am getting good tail rotor speed, but it seems that the main rotor is barely turning enough to get airborne. the mixture screw is set to factory and needle valve is two turns out. Any suggestions?
05-16-2008 12:21 AM
 
 
BarracudaHockey
rrMaster
Location: Orange Park FL

Too rich.

Are you sure the engine is running the right way, if the idle is way rich it can start backwards and on some models spin the tail rotor, my Nexus would do that.


AMA 77227
http://www.jaxrc.com
05-16-2008 12:28 AM
 
 
LAUNCHPAD 86
New Heliman
Location: Mulberry, FL U.S.A

My starter is turning clockwise.
05-16-2008 12:58 AM
 
 
LAUNCHPAD 86
New Heliman
Location: Mulberry, FL U.S.A

What settings for the mixture and needle are the best to run?
05-16-2008 01:01 AM
 
 
Swoop
Veteran
Location: Newark, DE USA

Even though your starter is turning the right way, a rich engine can swing back from the compresion stroke and start backwards. Do you have the red pulley under the main gear?, if so this would explain why your tail spun without or faster than the main.

In response to your question, the main can be anywhere between 1-2 turns out depending on pipe, weather, fuel. Start with the low speed screw with the slot parallel to the carb throat and fine tune after the main is adjusted.
05-16-2008 01:10 AM
 
 
Gasser
Heliman
Location: New Jersey

Start the motor counter clockwise. Not sure about century but my trex and raptors started counter clockwise.
Rick
05-16-2008 01:26 AM
 
 
LAUNCHPAD 86
New Heliman
Location: Mulberry, FL U.S.A

No red pulley with this piece. Any way to keep the engine from running backwards?

05-16-2008 01:27 AM
 
 
LAUNCHPAD 86
New Heliman
Location: Mulberry, FL U.S.A

Do you just switch the leads from the starter to the battery? You would think they'd tell you which direction to run instead of a stupid picture. That would help Amateurs like me.
05-16-2008 01:33 AM
 
 
BarracudaHockey
rrMaster
Location: Orange Park FL

You live right near an excellent club, I highly suggest you get some in person help. Proper tuning is how you prevent the engine from running backwards.


AMA 77227
http://www.jaxrc.com
05-16-2008 01:43 AM
 
 
Carey
Senior Heliman
Location: Allentown, NJ

Try 1 1/2 turns on the main needle. Depends on the pipe but I only have it close to that rich (2 turns) on break in.

With an MP5 pipe 1 1/2 turns wont make headspeed in idle 2. It had to go leaner. We checked the gov first then realized the motor was too rich to hit rpm's over say 12k.

Hope this helps!
05-16-2008 01:44 AM
 
 
LAUNCHPAD 86
New Heliman
Location: Mulberry, FL U.S.A

Which club; prop busters or imperial r/c? I am running century's 40-50 size scale muffler.
05-16-2008 01:56 AM
 
 
Swoop
Veteran
Location: Newark, DE USA

Sorry about that, for some reason I was thinking this was a raptor.(even though you stated it was a century in the first sentence),please disregard the statement about the red pulley.
05-16-2008 02:33 AM
 
 
BarracudaHockey
rrMaster
Location: Orange Park FL

I think its Imperial RC, there's a large event down there every November so I know they have several heli guys.


AMA 77227
http://www.jaxrc.com
05-16-2008 12:48 PM
 
 
Dilbeck
Veteran
Location: Springdale Arkansas

Your starter should be turning counterclockwise not clockwise. The blades should be turning clockwise.

If it doesn't fly sell it!
05-16-2008 01:23 PM
 
 
JRjoe
Elite Veteran
Location: Portage, IN

Not to be a butthead or anything but can i ask something?

You said yourself that your an amateur, so...


Do you know how to fly one of these things???

If not i'd highly recommend you save the scale fuselage for later on. In my opinion you should learn to fly a pod and boom first.


For sure you should seek out your local field and get some help. Going it alone is not recommended.


What ever the case my be, just have fun.......!!!


..........Joe

JR Helis Rule!!!
05-16-2008 01:31 PM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

What Barracuda is trying to explain is that even when you START the OS50 running in the correct direction (it turns COUNTERCLOCKWISE when you are looking down from above at the end of the crankshaft with the fan and nut on it), if your idle is a bit on the RICH side, the OS50 will easily hiccup -- and without any audible warning -- simply reverse the direction that it is running.

This is a common occurrence with the OS 50. Lean the idle out just a bit, and at the same time, increase your idle speed by moving the throttle trim up a bit.

BUT -- IF your rotor head is actually TURNING and YOU'RE getting airborne, the motor is NOT running backwards. Almost all heli kits these days include an overrunning clutch ("one-way clutch" ) in the main rotor drive train to disengage the main rotor shaft from the rest of the drive train if the engine quits. This one-way clutch is what allows you to maintain/increase head speed during descent in an autorotation.

If your motor hiccups and reverses itself at idle, as you increase throttle, the main centrifugal clutch will engage as it should, but with the motor turning backwards, the one-way clutch will be slipping and you will not get near the head speed needed to lift off. In most cases the motor will rev up while the head just sits there, grinning at you.

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If your needles (high and/or low speed) are on the rich side, there will be excess fuel spitting out of the carb at low RPMs. Also, there may be a small amount of fuel coming from around the front bearing. That is normal, as the bearings are NOT liquid-tight, and that small amount of fuel is what carries lube up to the front bearing and the front end of the crankshaft.

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You are getting enough RPM on the head to get airborne, but apparently not an overwhelming amount of RPM. That indicates that you are still rich on the high speed needle, AND that the motor is turning the right direction.

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the mixture screw is set to factory and needle valve is two turns out.

Those are the default settings from the factory. In general those are settings that will get the motor started, but are usually on the very rich side. You need to adjust BOTH of those settings gradually at first, until you have several tanks of fuel through the motor. You WANT the engine to be on the rich side for the first few tanks of fuel to make sure the motor breaks in well without overheating and damaging the piston, ring, or cylinder.

Also note that the IDLE SPEED is set by the throttle opening (throttle trim lever on the TX), NOT the mixture screw (aka the "low speed needle" ). Read through your OS50 manual again, the section on needle adjustment is key to understanding how to adjust the needles.

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The settings that you finally end up with depend to a large degree upon the fuel you are using, the muffler that you have installed, and your pitch and throttle curve values. Temperature, humidity, and altitude also play a role in where those needles finally end up being set.

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DO seek local help. It is priceless.

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* Making the World a Better Place -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Dave
05-16-2008 01:36 PM
 
 
Mutt
Veteran
Location: t ca usa

If your starter is turning clockwise you answered your own question. You are starting the engine backwards I see this all the time with newbs had them even argue with me I just laugh and say ok as I pick my century heli up after starting it with my starter runing counter clockwise and take it to the flight line and fly. reverese the leasds on the starter and it will run properly.
05-16-2008 01:40 PM
 
 
krashtagain
Veteran
Location: ohio

I used to race a 2 stroke drag bike and had the bike fire backwards after a dry hop .Very distinct sound when a 2 stroke runs backwards .

Learn to 3D or die trying !!!!
05-16-2008 01:46 PM
 
 
Eury
Elite Veteran
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

Not on one of these, the model 2 strokes will run in either direction, and they sound exactly the same, you won't know it's doing it until it won't take off.


Nick Crego
As I wind on down the road...
05-16-2008 02:28 PM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Eury is spot on. There is NOT a distinct difference in sound with the OS50. Often times, the only real indication you have is that the motor's running, but the head's not turning. And the first thing you suspect in THAT case is the one-way clutch! It takes a few seconds to realize that the motor has reversed direction.

What's really frustrating is that the motor runs almost as well backwards as it does in the proper direction!

Anyone who's had experience with the Cox Baby Bee/Golden Bee series of 0.049 reed-valve motors will tell you they run just as well backwards as they do forwards, and they all sound the same.

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* Making the World a Better Place -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Dave
05-16-2008 03:31 PM
 
 
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