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Kyosho Caliber 30 & 60 - Concept - Nexus > Caliber 6 Build
 
 
kyoshall
New Heliman
Location: Auckland. New Zealand

Should be easy to convince the other half you need one of these...
They come in a nice pink box

Inside the box is many bags of parts in the Kyosho tradition.
Two parts are assembled. The blade grips are bolted to the head and
the one way bearing is installed in the hub. The last helicopter I
built from this level was a Concept 60 and the mast was assembled
with those.

The servo frame is the same as the 5 and 5M, but because it has
the EMS kit the aileron and elevator servos are locked off.
Assembly starts with attaching the servo frame and the EMS locks
on the aileron and elevator. Install the bearings for the mast
and counter shaft. Install the main gear and mast, then
assemble and install the drive pulley, tail drive pulley and
counter shaft.

Assembling the mast, head, and flybar takes a while because there
are a lot of linkages to make up and it pays to take the time
to make sure the flybar balances up well.

To get it to this stage, which is pretty much the same as what is
already assembled on a Caliber 5, 5M took about 4 hours.

The mast and head are the same as the Caliber 5.

Add the skids and for those flying nitro install the tank, engine
and muffler. In my case I slipped in the electric motor assembly
complete with ESC and battery eliminator and fitted the main belt.

It was then time to tackle the tail assembly which is very different
to any of the other Kyoshos. There are 14 bearings to install, but
it all goes together very nicely, and I like that there are ball
links at both ends of the tail control rods. I was not particularly
impressed with the use of cable ties to hold the control rod guides
and even less with the white ones supplied so I found some black ones
to use so they were less obvious.

Setting up the servo linkages was straight forward and in most cases
the manual gives the correct lengths. I always setup a new helicopter
using default transmitter settings and checked the pitch range this way.
I didn't have symmetrical pitch settings but that was easily fixed
by adjusting the main blade pitch links. The overall length ended up
being 35.5mm to give a pitch range of +- 10 degrees. Hmmm should be
good for the 3d fliers.

At this stage I decided it was time to fire it up on a stand and
check it out, bring the blades into track and set the rotor rpm's
for the flight conditions. I like a lazy helicopter in Normal so I
set that a little over 1400rpm, with 1550rpm on Idleup1 and 1700rpm
on Idleup2. Set the exponentials to -40 on Normal and -30 on the
Idle ups for aileron, elevator, and rudder and set the delays for
flight condition changes the same as I had used on Caliber 5's.

Time for a flight... without any drama at all it lifted off into
a very smooth hover and a little trimming improved it even more.
Flight mode transitions proved to be even smoother than I had with
the 5's. I get torque changes on the 5's which affect the tail on
change. This could the push pull on the tail or setup. I am not sure.

After 3 batteries trimming out and setting up in the hover I am
looking forward to getting into forward flight. It is certainly
a very different helicopter to the Caliber 5 to fly considering
the number of parts that are same and am absolute pleasure to fly
so far.

05-15-2008 02:05 AM
 
 
JFERA22
Heliman
Location: MONTEREY,CA

caliber 6 build

Hay Kyoshall just out of personal reasons in the caliber 6 manual what size do they give you on the linkages from the bell cranks to the swash? and do they give you a highth for the swash from the top of the frames? if you dont mind thanks. jfera22

VOOOLAAAREEE~~~ way up in the sky!!
05-18-2008 06:33 AM
 
 
kyoshall
New Heliman
Location: Auckland. New Zealand

The manual gives the rod lengths to front left and right
of the swash plate as 24mm, which gives an overall length
of 68mm. Height of the swash plate above the frame is 15mm
at the centre of servo range.
05-18-2008 08:16 AM
 
 
JFERA22
Heliman
Location: MONTEREY,CA

caliber 6 build

Thanks for that Kyoshall I was just wondering if they changed things up It's a caliber 5 with a bigger fuel tank and push pull on the tail with different stickers and EMS included. It looks like everything comes out of the same mold as the C-5. the pitch tray still has to be locked by boltng it instead of all one peice. Did they just throw the upgrade EMS linkage set in the box with two manuals or did they take the time to print everything on one book?? if you get another min. let me know please. thanks again and happy flying. are they even avalible in the US yet?

VOOOLAAAREEE~~~ way up in the sky!!
05-18-2008 08:53 AM
 
 
BrentC
Senior Heliman
Location: Utah, USA

kyoshall,
Thanks for sharing your build. I look forward to hearing how it flies in comparison to the Caliber 5. I like the tail set-up in my 450V.
JFERA22, Here is a link to the manual,
http://www.kyosho.com/jpn/support/i...CALIBER-6-m.pdf
It looks like the EMS setup is included as part of the overall build. I noticed that they have a different setup with the one-way. I know there has been some discussion here about failures in the Caliber 5 one-way, did Kyosho go with this set up to correct that?

BrentC

That can't be good!
05-18-2008 04:33 PM
 
 
JFERA22
Heliman
Location: MONTEREY,CA

Caliber-6 build

BrentC thank you for that my friend I appreciate it, On the one way maybe Kyoshall will come back and answer that,or someone that knows thats like a kyosho tech. that are welcome to chime in during any one of these discussions!!instead of hiding behind the mouse controls!! thanks again.

VOOOLAAAREEE~~~ way up in the sky!!
05-19-2008 12:44 AM
 
 
kyoshall
New Heliman
Location: Auckland. New Zealand

Well spotted JFERA22.

I hadn't noticed that the one way bearing assy is different on the
Caliber 6 but then I haven't needed to remove one from a Caliber
4 or 5. Part number in the Caliber 4 and 5 is CA3023 (Pulley And
CA5111 ( One way bearing ) whereas the Caliber 6 has CA5508 which
is a metal hub with the one way bearing installed and Pulley is
CA5150. I should think these would be totally interchangeable
between the 45, and 6 as a pair.
05-19-2008 07:57 AM
 
 
tommytt1
Senior Heliman
Location: Mercerville, NJ, USA

Thanks for the link! I noticed that Kyosho ditched the brass flywheel for a washer, kinda like the Cal 4. It is nice to see that Kyosho adressed some of the Cal 5 week points in the Cal 6, maybe Kyosho can offer the upgraded oneway to current 5 owners at a discount like Hirobo did when they had a problem with the Freya oneway. Tom

I made a mistake once, but I was wrong?
05-19-2008 12:05 PM
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JFERA22
Heliman
Location: MONTEREY,CA

c-6 build

Yea roger on that Kyoshall thank, it sound like your build is comming along good luck on the rest of the fine tunes, what features good or bad do you see different than the c-5,they look like the same ship with just a few mods. any feedback would you say they peforme the same? thanks Joe

VOOOLAAAREEE~~~ way up in the sky!!
05-23-2008 02:54 AM
 
 
Robbie
Heliman
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Hi All,
There are a few subtle changes from the 5 to 6 some being the length of the flybar increases from 400 to 440mm and the new type flywheel (C5 owners don't be tempted to place the thrust washer like the C5). Nearly all of the upgrade parts from the 5 will fit the 6 with the exception of the metal tail gears (push/pull didn't line up) and the metal counter shaft gear (50T due to new 1way bearing). Haven't found any others yet. Did however get +-15 degrees pitch.
Main modification so far has been to replace the M3x10 TP screws for the 2 main frames with M3x15 Cap Screws and Nyloc nuts.

Not too sure about the new fuel tank yet, it seems like if you roll too far left on low fuel it will run dry and quit with no provision for a header tank.
09-02-2008 06:37 AM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Quote 
no provision for a header tank.

If the header's not included in the kit, buy the C5 version and its mounts, the main frames still have the appropriate notches on the right side to accept the C5 header.

EDIT -- D'oh --- suggestion won't work, the new C6 tank pokes out the right side of the heli, stock C5 header won't fit.

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* Making the World a Better Place -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Dave
09-02-2008 01:17 PM
 
 
Optech
Key Veteran
Location: Vista/Oceanside, CA.

Robbie,
You wrote "....and the new type flywheel (C5 owners don't be tempted to place the thrust washer like the C5)...." Could you elaborate what you mean here? It doesn't make sense to me.

From what I can tell from a cursory glance, the things that are different from the C5 are;

-Push-Pull tail control
-Flywheel arrangement
-Counter shaft gear/one way bearing holder (Is the bearing itself different?)
-CCPM Standard
-Longer Flybar length?
-Bigger main Fuel tank

Anything else?

Mike

Viva La Airtronics!
09-02-2008 05:54 PM
 
 
Robbie
Heliman
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Hi Mike,

On the C5 the thrust washer sits between the motor and the flywheel. On the C6 it is placed between the flywheel and the cluth. I saw it in the manual first and thought it was an error but then noticed that the flywheel is a whole lot slimmer and the profile includes a shoulder.

As for the fuel tank, I'm not so happy. Any vibration in my C5 had the fuel foaming bu not in the header tank. If there is foaming in the new tank then the motor will be sucking bubbles and leaning out.

I'm also gonna fit the C4 fan that has more blades with a lower profile, it balances much better (yes, even better than the metal fan).
Already have the metal swash plate installed.

Anyone know of a 20mm carbon fibre boom that'll fit the C5/C6 ?.
Anyone know why Kyosho has the lugs and slots for the C5 rudder controls on the C6 ?.
09-03-2008 06:14 AM
 
 
Optech
Key Veteran
Location: Vista/Oceanside, CA.

Robbie,

Two things you can do to prevent vibration issues with the fuel until you can figure out the scource of the problem.

First, if you haven't already, install an OS bubbleless clunk;
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bi...?&I=LXXF25&P=ML
This will help prevent any fuel flow problems.

Second, and have an open mind, put a gentle half squirt or so, about 10-20 drops, of "Armour All" vinyl protectant into your bottle of fuel. It acts as an anti-foaming agent. The fuel will still slosh around like crazy but it doesn't foam. I also found that if the fuel bottle goes unused for a long period of time you will need to re apply.

Do you see any issues with replacing the Cal5 flywheel with the Cal6 set-up?
Have you flown a Cal5? If so, did you notice any difference between the the two flywheel set-ups?

Mike

Viva La Airtronics!
09-03-2008 04:07 PM
 
 
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