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RON F
New Heliman
Location: HILLIARD,OH-USA

I'm a noob ,but,Iwant to learn effectively and I'm on a budget.
My question is which simulator do I buy and why?
05-12-2008 12:15 AM
 
 
ourobouros2k2
Heliman
Location: okc area, Oklahoma

limited experience

I have only two that I have tried, realflight 3.5 and FMS packaged with a crappy 4ch usb controller.

I totally credit my ability not to stuff my birds on the constant practice I get on realflight. Graphics are great and the flight models are awesome. Basically it taught me to fly in absence of an instructor or mentor. Transitioning to real life is a bit different, as sweaty palms and nervous jitters abound in the absence of a red reset button. I have got to play with g4, and while much of it remains the same, the included controller is much better and I love the graphics (beautiful rotor disk, lighting engine, etc...).

I bought the Century Helicopters bundle pack for FMS. I figured that since my laptop in my patrol car didn't dream of running 3.5, I needed something that it would run. Nothing like being able to practice heli flying at 5am when nothing is about, lol. Anyway, FMS is a lot harder to get going, in fact, you have to use a program which emulated a serial port just to get it initialized (at least the program was bundled with the pack, as were a bunch of extra planes, landscapes, and helis). The controller bundled with the pack leaves little to be desired, but it is functional for the role that it was designed for. At 39 bucks, I wasn't expecting realflight, but there were a few problems I had with the FMS package...

1. Graphics are nowhere near on par with realflight. I expected this, so it was an easy workaround.

2. No idle up options or throttle cut. No way to practice autos, and such. You can still do stunts, because the flight models of most of the included helis are already in stunt mode with a fair amount of negative pitch. My thing was that I wanted to practice autos the same way I would on g3.5 but no dice.

3. Flying areas are much more cramped. Again this is a smaller program than 3.5 and something that I decided I could live with given the lower system requirements of FMS.

4. No way to define amount of expo on a particular channel. Only an "expo" checkbox.

5. Sound kinda sucks...but that falls into the get what you pay for category

6. Hovering is way to easy in the FMS program. Way to easy, in fact,

I would say it is definately doing a disservice to people wanting to practice on a computer. If FMS was the only experience you had, you would be highly surprised when it came time to hover the real thing.
One good thing is that the FMS program itself is free and if you have a PS2 controller with analog sticks you should be able to make it work sans cost.

All in all, if you are serious go with G3.5 or G4, or even with reflex or phoenix, or something else clearly designed to be an immersive sim experience and not simply a game. The game-like quality of FMS really makes it only a good orientation trainer with little benefit in any other area. Only exception is possibly planes, I found their models to closely emulate the realflight models.

Find one you like, go to your lhs they usually have a version of realflight or FSone available for you to try out. Money spent on a real sim is money well invested. Best of luck...

Andy T-rex 450sa, Axe CP
05-12-2008 12:58 AM
 
 
flag8r77
Senior Heliman
Location: Jacksonville Florida

Phoenix sim
05-12-2008 03:44 AM
 
 
george0079
Elite Veteran
Location: Terra Firma

^^^ What he said ^^^

The older I get, the shorter my attention....... Oh look. A shiny penny..

Steve
05-12-2008 03:45 AM
 
 
bulldogs
Elite Veteran
Location: ~OC~ ,CA USA

This 1 .....50 BUCKS U cant beat it !!!!!


http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t430104p1/


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05-12-2008 04:01 AM
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blazobob
Senior Heliman
Location: us

hi

get a used copy of realflight off the ads here , bob

RR Master wannabe
05-12-2008 12:05 PM
 
 
jjh23
Senior Heliman
Location: uk

phoenix sim is the 1 and only
05-12-2008 09:34 PM
 
 
Zman9545
Veteran
Location: The Golden STATE

Phoenix

I recommend the Phoenix because you can use a real working pre existing radio.

IMO


Trex600N Pro
Kinetic 50

-The ONLY way you fail is when you quit.-
05-12-2008 09:58 PM
 
 
Wedge77
New Heliman
Location: St Louis Missouri USA

Kinda partial to the Reflex XTR myself, use your transmitter so you learn switch placements, menu's, everything you are going to use when you fly your heli.
05-13-2008 12:58 AM
 
 
jal250r
Senior Heliman
Location: Mankato, MN, US

Phoenix sim is #1. But G3/G4, reflex, Phoenix will all teach you the same thing in the long run. Just my opinion

"Feed the Need to 3D"
05-13-2008 03:53 AM
 
 
bobthehobo9
Senior Heliman
Location: 813 T-Town... aka Tampa, Florida

Phoenix Sim!

1) Amazing graphics
2) lots of aircraft to choose from (helis, planks, gliders, amphib, tiltrotor, and autogyro)
3) The aircraft fly very similar to their real world counterparts (at least the T-rex 600 in the sim flies very close to mine with only a few changes made to the flight model)
4) reasonably priced
5) you get to use your real tx and not some cheap plastic fake one

Vibe 50___OS 50 Hyper, MP5 50, ATGV3, 401/9253, Rotortech 600, V paddles, Arizona Reg.
05-13-2008 03:59 AM
 
 
Way2slow
Veteran
Location: Jeffersonville Ga

I used RealFlight 4.0 the other day and it does have a lot of extra features that I would never use but I while it seem to make a pretty good heli sim I didn't like the response of the heli's as well on it as I do on my AeroFly Profesional Delux. The Aerofly does not have all that fancy extra stuff but the bulk of that is something I would never use anyway and it does not have the heli selection 4.0 has. However, when it come to which one makes the heli respond closest to what it's like in real life, I think the Aerofly wins hands down over RF 4.0

I'm still waiting on a chance to use Phoenix and see how I like it. The demo looks nice but that's not flying it yourself to see how it feels.
05-13-2008 05:07 AM
 
 
SeaHawk
Heliman
Location: Ft. Lauderdale , Florida

Phoenix

Realflight memory hog and requires a top end computer

Phoenix "feels" as close to actually flying
auto's are pretty good too
best bang for the buck .....

Allan "Seahawk"
Flying low and slow
05-13-2008 03:42 PM
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wxup
New Heliman
Location: Hanford, CA USA

I used RealFlight 3.5 to learn. I found the training area quite helpful. An "instructor's" aircraft and TX is shown doing the requested manuver and you can watch the stick input on the TX and the result on the aircraft. Hard to watch both at the same time but the session repeats as many times as you need. You can then fly along with the instructor and try to make your aircraft match his. I learned a lot like this.

I have never tried any other sim so I can't compare RealFlight to anything else. I can only say that I have been happy with RF 3.5 running on my 5 yr old computer, I learned a lot from it and I continue to learn from it. I find it fun and I think the more fun, the more you will use it and the more you will learn.
05-13-2008 04:30 PM
 
 
jbdww
Senior Heliman
Location: Round Rock, Texas

I have both G3.5 and Phoenix. I would have to say Phoenix all the way. It is much closer to real flying, and it requires much less of a machine to make it work. I used G3.5 for a year and it taught me orientation, but once I switched to Phoenix and started to us my own Transmitter, my real flying skills started to take off as it was much easier to transition from the SIM to the real thing.
Joe

Skids Up
05-13-2008 06:43 PM
 
 
psych-lick
Senior Heliman
Location: Austin, TX - USA

I also own both Phoenix and RF 3.5.
I was happy with RF 3.5 after I had spent a lot of time tweaking the aircraft to fly like the real thing. However, Phoenix looks so much better. You can see the heli make small changes in attitude while flying much easier in Phoenix. Also, Phoenix's stock helis fly much closer to the real thing out of the box (I still had to tweak them a little - but not as much as g3.5).
However, the airplanes in Phoenix are terrible. If you fly both planes and helis then buy the g4. I am not able to get airplanes to even fly close to the real thing in Phoenix. This app just *plane* sux for airplanes. It was truly designed around helis.

-Jeff T.
05-13-2008 07:07 PM
 
 
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