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e-Align T-REX 450-500-600 > T-REX 600 Neu1515/2.5D/F/H motor on 6S is a little slow? Now CC HV85 setup?
 
 
clink69
Heliman
Location: Gtown MD

I just installed a Neu1515/2.5D/F/H motor in my TREX 600. I am using the stock Align 75Amp ESC and set it on Low timing as recommended. 11T pinion. It works fine but does not seem to even have the power the 600XL motor did, or at least no better. Are there any problems with using the Align ESC. Any other things I can try to get this to punch out. I messed with the Pitch already. blades are SAB 600MM.

OK so now I converted to the CC HV85. what setups are people using for this ESC and this motor?

thansk

"A house is just a place to keep your stuff while you go out and get more stuff." G Carlin
05-11-2008 09:34 PM
 
 
R38133
Veteran
Location: USA

what type of batters do you have?? What are your Throttle curves??
05-11-2008 09:44 PM
 
 
clink69
Heliman
Location: Gtown MD

Batteries are TP Extreme 5000. I am in Idle up 100% across the board.

"A house is just a place to keep your stuff while you go out and get more stuff." G Carlin
05-11-2008 11:58 PM
 
 
Raptorz499
Senior Heliman
Location: Hainesport, NJ U.S

I have the same setup and I have plenty of power. I use a FLightpower 5000 pack, but same thing. Are there a lot of flights on you battery or is it new?
05-12-2008 11:33 AM
 
 
Ben-T-Spindle
Elite Veteran
Location: Central Illinois

The problem with TP Extreme lacks is that they loose their punch much faster than other brands. They are the most powerful when new but usually loose power after 50 cycles or less depending on how far you discharge them. They are still good to use as long as they balance.

Some of the battery forums have discussed this at length. I don’t know if the Extreme V2 are better.




... BTS
05-12-2008 01:53 PM
 
 
rables
Heliman
Location: FT. Worth, Tx.

The FP 4900 25C pack makes this setup rock! Not the 5000 pack...

Give one a try.

Rob
Flight Power
K&B Dream Designs
Trex 600 8s Neu 1907
Trex500CF
05-12-2008 04:10 PM
 
 
clink69
Heliman
Location: Gtown MD

My TP Extremes are of varying age from New to 1 year old (~30 cycles) , but I have tried a NEW V2 as well, has more power but still not fantastic. I kinda was expecting a big difference between NEU and the Align 600XL. I don't see so much though.

Is the 11 tooth pinion good or should I go to the 10?

does Blades make a big difference, I have SAB 600 old type?

"A house is just a place to keep your stuff while you go out and get more stuff." G Carlin
05-12-2008 11:11 PM
 
 
Ben-T-Spindle
Elite Veteran
Location: Central Illinois

Blades do make a difference. Try a set of the new Rotor Tech 610mm blades.

Exactly what do want more of? Faster cyclic, faster climbs, faster forward flight or what?




... BTS
05-13-2008 12:13 AM
 
 
docjoe
Elite Veteran
Location: Stockton, CA United States

I'd go for a higher headspeed with the 11T pinion.

Joe
We haven't seen Colonel Angus around these parts for years!
05-13-2008 12:48 AM
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red_z06Key Veteran - Location: Dumont, NJ -
What head speed do you get? We fly with Neu 1515/2.5d 11T pinion with TP v2 packs. We kept the Align 75amp. With new v2 packs we get 2,350 head speed.
Our tired Extreme v1 packs gave us around 2050-2100. So, first make sure that your packs can provide the juice. Flight time is about 4:30.

www.justinchi.com
05-13-2008 01:00 AM
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docjoe
Elite Veteran
Location: Stockton, CA United States

I haven't tached it but about 2200-2300 sounds about right for the head speed with an 11T pinion. I have my timer set for 4:30 and put back near 3800mA.

Joe
We haven't seen Colonel Angus around these parts for years!
05-13-2008 01:08 AM
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clink69
Heliman
Location: Gtown MD

I was looking for faster climbs... Maybe I'll change the blades but I thought the SABs would be good.

"A house is just a place to keep your stuff while you go out and get more stuff." G Carlin
05-13-2008 02:24 AM
 
 
docjoe
Elite Veteran
Location: Stockton, CA United States

Unfortunately if you're looking to get tons of power for climb-outs and decreased bogging, you'll likely need to run an 8s/10s setup. I used to run a 10s setup and have opted for an 8s setup recently because the 8s packs are lighter than the 10s packs. The 8s 3700 packs are roughtly the same weigth as a 5000MAH pack with similar or slightly increased flight times. But they have more power than a 6s setup.

Joe
We haven't seen Colonel Angus around these parts for years!
05-13-2008 02:32 AM
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clink69
Heliman
Location: Gtown MD

Hey red_z06

Can I ask what your program settings on the Align ESC were?

"A house is just a place to keep your stuff while you go out and get more stuff." G Carlin
05-13-2008 02:37 AM
 
 
red_z06
Key Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ

I kept the mid timing that I was using with 600XL. If it was going to cut out or fry, I was going to replace the 75amp with a different unit. But, it worked well. BTW, in order to reduce weight, we are using Castle BEC with the Align ESC.

Climb rate has to do with the pitch setting too. Are you maxed out on the pitch range at about 13deg? If not adjust pitch swash so on the positive side, the washout base touches the head block.

I replaced Align 75a ESC with Scorpion 6s120 ESC and having some problems. It could be me not familiar with its setups but.
Scorpion would be a nice unit if all the problems are sorted out as it has a 4amp switching BEC built in.

Problems.
1. Head speed is down from 2350 to 2150.
2. Little too violent initial startup with soft start.
3. spool up does not go up to set speed but up to 1/2 the set speed then bam (sort of like switching from normal to idle up).
4. ESC much hotter than Align 75amp.

While sorting out the problems, I'll have to switch back to Align 75amp ESC in order to fly. Anyone tested or flown with Scorpion ESCs?

We initially never cared for any 6s setup. But when our 9s setup gave us trouble(lost 200 on the head speed), we put the 6s setup with 600XL. We had a 6s V2 that was never tested so used it for setup. To my surprise, it had a very useable power. So, we quickly got the 1515/2.5d and the head speed was now almost equal at 2350.

The flight video of the above(Align ESC) setup in on the Friday video and 9s setup with 1515/2y setup was in the Saturday video below.

http://runryder.com/helicopter/rrTV...s/LasVegas2008/

www.justinchi.com
05-13-2008 08:46 AM
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clink69
Heliman
Location: Gtown MD

Climb rate has to do with the pitch setting too. Are you maxed out on the pitch range at about 13deg?


I messed with the pitch setting using swashh (both sides). I'll try changing the timing next from low to mid.

"A house is just a place to keep your stuff while you go out and get more stuff." G Carlin
05-13-2008 12:42 PM
 
 
Ben-T-Spindle
Elite Veteran
Location: Central Illinois

In my opinion the sooner you upgrade to 8s the happier you’ll be.

... BTS
05-13-2008 09:03 PM
 
 
clink69
Heliman
Location: Gtown MD

Tried the Timing

I set the timing from Low to Mid, not much difference at all that I can feel. Hum.. Made more adjustments on the swash (pitch) . The biggest difference I have seen is when I use the New TP V2 battery. Definitely stronger that the older V1s. Maybe I am expecting too much from this NEU , but why then should I spend 285 for a motor thats not much different that the 600XL using 6S. I wanted to stay with 6S so I dont have to spend a ton more on batteries...

Try changing the blades next.. I have Blades TSTs that I can try.

"A house is just a place to keep your stuff while you go out and get more stuff." G Carlin
05-14-2008 01:26 AM
 
 
red_z06
Key Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ

Now that you have seen 1515 with v2, try v2 with 600xl. Fly hard on both and see if you notice anything.

We'll be in Hurlock, MD this weekend. Are you planning on being at the funfly?

www.justinchi.com
05-14-2008 01:41 AM
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Ben-T-Spindle
Elite Veteran
Location: Central Illinois

Quote 

Tried the Timing

I set the timing from Low to Mid, not much difference at all that I can feel. Hum.. Made more adjustments on the swash (pitch) . The biggest difference I have seen is when I use the New TP V2 battery. Definitely stronger that the older V1s. Maybe I am expecting too much from this NEU , but why then should I spend 285 for a motor thats not much different that the 600XL using 6S. I wanted to stay with 6S so I dont have to spend a ton more on batteries...

Motor upgrades are mainly a durability thing to get away from the Align motor failures.

I don’t fly 6s but sometimes the ESC limits the performance. Does anyone know if the C HV85 makes more power with the Neu motor than the Align ESC?

As long as you stick with 6s your performance is going to be limited. Spending more money on a setup that is never going to get you what you want is probably not a good idea. Just fly what you have until the batteries get used up than consider upgrading to a higher voltage setup. 8s is best for 3D but if you are mainly interested in fast flight and fast climbs then a 10s setup should be your goal.





... BTS
05-14-2008 11:28 AM
 
 
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