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Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > Pantera with 4 Bladed Head
 
 
Futura57
Senior Heliman
Location: UK

After a crash a couple of weeks back I was planning on selling my Pantera. But then I figured I could use it for testing my 4 blade IDG head for my scale project. Flys a treat.



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05-11-2008 02:27 PM
 
 
rsalazar
Key Veteran
Location: Florida, USA

It looks great!!
very cool
05-11-2008 04:24 PM
 
 
reaper31
Senior Heliman
Location: denver, CO, usa

did you have problems fitting it to the panthera like the other article in this forum (for the century head?)
05-12-2008 10:46 AM
 
 
Learn to Fly
Key Veteran
Location: Yalesville Connecticut

Are you using any mixers?

Looks cool!!

What scaler you doing?


Jeff
Believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see...
05-12-2008 10:53 AM
 
 
Futura57
Senior Heliman
Location: UK

It's a Century 4 bladed head. One of the older designs I think. I bought it with the blades second-hand a couple of years back. You can see it on this link page...

CenturyUK Multi Heads

The head fitted perfectly and bolted on with no issues about the location of the bolt hole or any slop in the fit on the mast.

I am not using any gyros or mixers on the head at all. I have not attempted any 3D, and don't intend to. She only has a slight nose up tendendency in foward flight, which you quickly get used to, and otherwise is very much like a 2 blade flybar head to fly. Very responsive. Also, with 4 blades you need to drop the pitch range right down. The blades are carbon and feel quite heavy, though I haven't weighed them. I have futaba 9206 and 2 x 9202 servos for the swash (all I had spare).

Instead of using a conventional blade follower with a single link, I am using a home made arrangement. I will let the picture tell the story.



I cannot take the credit for this because I got the idea from CopterDoctor a while back. It's a fantastically slop free way of doing things if you ask me. I can't remember what heli the mixer arms are from. The Plywood piece will soon be replaced with a turned metal item. The anti-rotation guide has been tilted back a little to clear the links.

The scale project I refer to is a Eurocopter Tiger which I designed in balsa wood over 2 years back. For various reasons it was put on hold, but now it's on the move again. If you look in my gallery you will see me holding the fuselage almost complete outside my front door. You will also see a wooden framed contraption with bits of Century Hawk mechanics. This was test flown long ago with the raised tail rotor position, which has been faultless. This is incorporated into the balsa fuselage design.

That's about all I can think of to say for now.

My apologies to those who have seen this before.



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05-12-2008 10:02 PM
 
 
reaper31
Senior Heliman
Location: denver, CO, usa

really glad you are working on that tiger again! that mixer looks really great i will send you a PM with my email, if you dont mind would you tell me how it works? (or piont me in the right direction) i would really appreciate it. looks great!
05-13-2008 04:20 AM
 
 
mavrick#1
Senior Heliman
Location: ON, CAN

what type of blade holder do you use to store that beast,LOL

A good day????......... is not crashing :)
05-13-2008 04:30 AM
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Learn to Fly
Key Veteran
Location: Yalesville Connecticut

How are you using different servos on a CCPM swash? Dont all three have to be the same?

Cool not needing any mixers.

3D, It never crossed my mind!!

Cool fuse, your a TRUE scaler!! Keep it up!! Would love to see it finished.


Jeff
Believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see...
05-13-2008 12:09 PM
 
 
Futura57
Senior Heliman
Location: UK

Am I using confusing terms? When I talk of mixers I am thinking more of electronic devices which give phase adjustment for the swash input. I guess my blade follower arrangement could be called a mixer. Anyways, here is a short video showing how it works.

Head Video

I use a regular blade holder. First I remove one blade, fold two back to meet the third, then elastic band the loose blade to the top of the others, then push into blade caddy. No issues.

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05-16-2008 09:39 AM
 
 
reaper31
Senior Heliman
Location: denver, CO, usa

i really like how that follower assembly works, do you think you could use most types of washout-arms, or do you have to use the same models you used?
05-16-2008 11:09 AM
 
 
Learn to Fly
Key Veteran
Location: Yalesville Connecticut

Nope I meant CPU mixers.

Not the follower.

Still have to give you MUCHO credit!! Fuse looks awesome!!



Jeff
Believe nothing you hear, and half of what you see...
05-16-2008 12:17 PM
 
 
Futura57
Senior Heliman
Location: UK

The washout arms came from the junk box of my local model shop. I could be wrong, but I think it was mentioned they came from a Kalt Baron, but I can't be sure.

Here is a picture of one the assemblies I acquired (I still have some for spares). I have indicated in red where I hacked off a bit from the washout arm.



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05-16-2008 12:55 PM
 
 
TankDirt
Veteran
Location: illinois

sweet! Throw a ys91/mp5 and some bigger tail blades and see what she can do!!
05-24-2008 01:05 AM
 
 
ChopperCrazy
Heliman
Location: Sykesville, Pa. USA

Video

Do you have any video of the chopper flying? I think it would be neat to see.
05-24-2008 01:38 AM
 
 
Futura57
Senior Heliman
Location: UK

I don't yet have a flying video with the 4 bladed head. I was planning to do one this weekend at a fly-in on the South coast (UK), but today is very windy and the next 2 days are forecast heavy rain so I am not attending. There is another local fly-in next weekend, so I will aim to get a short flying video if the weather permits.

Incidentally, rather than run the stock tail with the 4 bladed head, I am running 105mm carbon tail blades to give extra tail authority with the extra drag/torque of the 4 mains. Is the Pantera tail hub and blade holders ok with this size tail? Ground clearance isn't particularly an issue.

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05-24-2008 04:51 PM
 
 
jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

Do not exceed 90mm tail rotor blades!!!!!!


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
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05-25-2008 03:54 AM
 
 
reaper31
Senior Heliman
Location: denver, CO, usa

what is the reason not too exeed that limit?
05-25-2008 07:19 AM
 
 
Futura57
Senior Heliman
Location: UK

Oh crap! I'd better take heed then and remove my 105 tails. I've got the head speed right down (not measured) because of the 4 mains and I thought I'd get away with the lower stresses (not calc'd) from a lower tail speed. But to be on the safe side I will look for some 90 tails. Will therefore have to try the stock tails in the short term.

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05-25-2008 09:51 AM
 
 
Copter Doctor
Elite Veteran
Location: daleville/ft.rucker, al

very nice. thoe mixing arms are from a kalt enforcer or as its called in the uk, a space baron. i have used this setup on many of my 4 bladed and 3 bladed heads and it works quite well. my OH58D i am working on now will have this setup.

drive a rotary, fly a rotorcraft
05-29-2008 04:25 PM
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Futura57
Senior Heliman
Location: UK

Got a friend to video me flying the 4 bladed head on the Pantera today. It's on an old analogue tape camcorder. Wont have the time to play it back and capture it for a day or two. Tried a couple of loops too, since I propose to do this when my Eurocopter Tiger is eventually finished and the 4 bladed head is fitted to it. Hmm, very interesting. Not the best loops I've ever done :-( Back soon.

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06-01-2008 09:07 PM
 
 
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