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Main Discussion > Nitro v. Electric .30/.50 size - just gathering ideas
 
 
Matt Smith
Heliman
Location: Newton, NJ

Hey guys,

I've been flying planks for a relatively long time (on and off, but the last 5 years I've been pretty active) and I'm really just starting out in helis. I fly a few nitro and mostly glow planes, as far as helis go, previously I had a century hummingbird v2 and now I'm flying a Blade 400.

Basically, my goal is sport aerobatics, perhaps FAI someday, and scale. Hard 3-D holds no interest for me right now. I'm taking it nice and slow, getting my orientation solid in hovering, and just now venturing into a little forward flight.

The Blade is good for this, much easier to manage than the hummingbird was, and should be cheaper to crash than a large ship, but it still has some drawbacks that I see: it's small, so orientation becomes difficult at any distance, and it's still much more affected by wind than larger machines.

So, I'm thinking that by the end of the summer, I might be ready for an upgrade to a larger machine, while keeping the Blade for a beater. I'll go to a .50/600 size machine if it looks like the best option, but I'm more attracted to the .30/520 machines and they seem a bit more economical to buy and operate.

I don't really have it too narrowed down, but two helis I've been looking at are the Century Swift 16 and the Hawk Pro(I might consider the Hirobo Sceadu 30 Evo, too). By the time I get either ship in the air, the costs are about even if I include one set of batteries for the electric or a few gallons of nitro for the .30.

The way I see it, nitro would allow more flight time with less waiting, but more noise and tuning distractions, while electric would be quieter, more familiar to me, and less hassle. There is the issue of battery costs, but I have a .40 size plank conversion that needs batteries, I could share those since I have to buy them to get the plane in the air anyway.

Didn't mean to write a novel here, but I've read the nitro vs. electric arguments a million times and they're all based on generalizations, what I'm having a hard time with is deciding what's best for MY personal situation. I'm really leaning toward electric at present, but just wondering if anybody here has gone through the same situation and what they decided...
05-08-2008 05:47 PM
 
 
Gyronut
Elite Veteran
Location: Martinsville In.

Cant speak for the Century products but I love my T500.

Aside from that I would consider a R50 and call it even for awhile.

Both great flyers.

Rick
05-08-2008 05:51 PM
 
 
tadawson
Key Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

I suggest *not* going with a 30 - go to the 50 right away. You will be glad you did, and it will save you upgrading later. The cost difference is not much either, but the flight performance difference is pretty large . . .

- Tim
05-08-2008 05:55 PM
 
 
FBoss
Senior Heliman
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA

I agree, I went with a Hawk Sport 30 and wish Ida gone to a Raven 50. I am thinking of a complete switch to electric for most of the reasons you listed. As far as battrery power, check out A123. The big draw backs are weight and flight time but the advantages are there. No fire hazard, 1000 cycles +, 10s ready to fly $150, repairable, Hardy, not easy to damage charging and did I say $150 for a 10s? I do like the Century nitros and at $300 for a 50, with decent blades the price is hard to beat on the Raven

The good ole times are now ,000132
05-08-2008 06:06 PM
 
 
BarracudaHockey
rrMaster
Location: Orange Park FL

Given your description of what you're after I'd suggest the EVO 50


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05-08-2008 06:47 PM
 
 
aviation
Senior Heliman
Location: Quebec Canada

Choise

Electric is great in the 450 size but the bigger electrics have many more issues such as flight times, not very long say 5 min max and then there is the problem of the batteries blowing up or cooking a regulator.

I am done with the larger electrics expecially when you can watch it burn in front of you.

Go Nitro in the 50 size.

aviation
05-08-2008 06:53 PM
 
 
Zaneman007
Key Veteran
Location: Texas - USA

Anything bigger than a 450 or 500, I'd recommend nitro. I'd stay away from the 30 class and go straight to the 50's.

From experience(I have a hawk pro with a toki 40), 30's don't have the power to get you out of trouble. There is nothing like yelling, "up, up" and watching it go down, down. A 50 will not do that to you.

You might want to take a look at the a Raptor 50. IMO these machines are like the energizer bunny. They just keep going, and going, and going. They are very solid machines and fly well.

If you are looking at costs, yea Century will get you there. It is cheaper to buy a new Hawk Pro kit, than it is to Repair most helis. But you have to ask yourself....."What's the point?"

I'd rather be flying
05-08-2008 07:26 PM
 
 
Topher
Senior Heliman
Location: Grosse Ile, Michigan

I agree, if you want to go as big as a 50 then get a raptor. If your a wuss, then get a 500 electric. When it comes to size electric is just to expensive unless you already got the charger and batteries. The noise from nitro is not a bad thing, its good. And tuning isnt really that big of a deal, its just turning a scew needle every once in a while.

Get a life? How the hell do you fly a life?
05-08-2008 07:59 PM
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jackheli
Elite Veteran
Location: Vancouver - Canada

Check this post on insights comparing Electric to Nitro. Just for a heads up... Post: http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/p3428374/

I saw the T-Rex500 flying and if I had to start over that's what I would get. Flies awesome, very stable, good size and in my opinion acceptable battery costs.



Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new - Albert Einstein
05-08-2008 08:25 PM
 
 
Pistol_Pete
Elite Veteran
Location: Tampa Bay non-Buccaneer

I have a couple of swift 16 and love them...BUT given your details I would definitely go with the EVO50.

<><>...the lunatic is in my head...<><>
05-08-2008 08:29 PM
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Carey
Senior Heliman
Location: Allentown, NJ

Any 50 size nitro will do. For the folks that think nitro (up to 50 size) is a hassle it's about as complex as keeping a lawn mower going.
05-08-2008 08:33 PM
 
 
jetfixrguy
Senior Heliman
Location: Valparaiso, Indiana USA

Looking for longer flight times.

I am kind of in the same boat.
05-08-2008 08:33 PM
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tailspin90
Key Veteran
Location: Portage, IN

Any of the 50 size helis would be a good choice.That's for sure.


IMO , there's nothing really wrong with the 30's. Yes they're a little low on power but they run for a long time on a tank of fuel. If your learning this is important.Just my 2 cents.


Tailspin90
Local Smart A$$......JR Helis Rule!!!
05-08-2008 08:37 PM
 
 
macsgrafs
Senior Heliman
Location: Barnstaple, Devon, UK

Depends on if your a sport flier or 3D mad mosquito on crack flier! If like me you are a sport flier, then go for the trex600E, I get 10 mins from a 5000mAH pack, the ones that 5 mins are 3D lads.

Ross

Seems to me that ALL heli's beat the air into submission
05-08-2008 08:42 PM
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Matt Smith
Heliman
Location: Newton, NJ

I don't think dealing with nitro is complicated, as I have several nitro cars and planes, and never really have any tuning issues. But, undeniably, nitros require more drivetrain maintenance. As far as noise goes, it's personal taste. Heli glow engines get annoying to me because it's like listening to a mosquito, constant high-pitched drone. Mostly the extra maintenance and mess are what has driven me toward electrics, plus I like tinkering with electronics.....somewhat shorter flight times aren't really an issue for me, as two sets of batteries for my e-planks have given me all the time I typically fly in a day, charge one while flying the other and breaks in between. Batteries getting lost in a crash is my main concern w/ electric.

As far as the size/power thing goes, I guess I'm a bit of a contrarian. Everybody else likes BIG OVERPOWERED stuff, I tend to go for more moderate stuff in general. Most of my planes are .25 size and moderately powered: big enough to see and perform well, but small enough to fit in a car easily and not so overpowered that they accelerate vertical out of a hover. I've tried .60s and hotrod/3-d planes, didn't really like them for some reason. Kind of why I'm interested in a 520/.30 size heli, it's pretty much the same size as my .25 planes. If that makes me a wuss, so be it.

Anyways, keep the comments coming, this is interesting...
05-08-2008 09:14 PM
 
 
tailspin90
Key Veteran
Location: Portage, IN

Based on what you have said, i'd say a Hawk 30 with an OS .32 is what you want. Fairly quiet with a good muffler.If your serious about electric helis, i can assure you that just 2 batteries will most likely not be enough to go out and have a good time.Unless you really like waiting for batteries to charge just for a 5 minute flight..


Nitro Dude, just gas and go!!!!!


Tailspin90
Local Smart A$$......JR Helis Rule!!!
05-08-2008 09:30 PM
 
 
JAGNZ
Elite Veteran
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Trex 500 or Trex 600N - wish they'd been around when I started out...

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz
05-08-2008 09:38 PM
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Matt Smith
Heliman
Location: Newton, NJ

You do have a point about 2 batteries. If the flight duration of a Rex 500 or a Swift is anything like the Blade, it'll be from 5-7 minutes average. I have my planes set up for 10 to 12 minute flights and usually get two shorter flights per charge, part of the reason two packs per plane usually works. So, add the cost of another pack or two into the equation for reasonable flying time.
05-08-2008 09:38 PM
 
 
Blade_Master1
Veteran
Location: Canada

Matt Smith

Just had to throw in my 2 cents

being budget minded myself, This is what i'm thinking of doing in the near future.

4 Cell lipos are fairly inexpensive and versatile as they can be used for multiple models.

I have a Trex450sa, a Raven 30 and a Hawk pro

I can use a 4cell pack for my 450 and when I decide to convert my Hawk to electric I will use 2 4cell packs

The Swift 16 (30 size) can also run on 2 X 4 cell packs

a 50 size machine will need a minimum 2 6cell packs or a 10 cell pack but now your moving away from the versatility that 4 cells have to offer.

I like the 30 size machines myself, I find they are stable and easy to fly but most of all affordable



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You can say what you want , Just don't say it here!
05-08-2008 09:49 PM
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SuperSixTwo
Senior Heliman
Location: Lockwood, NV

I would do the Trex 600. Parts are cheap and everywhere. Flys very well. I have 2 hawks,one converted electric and i get 9 min of hovering/scale type flying around on a tp5000 6s. I did that because i like to fly in the early morning at the park, and the local folks didnt like the nitro fumes. Go figure. I also like to hover practice in my shop. If your gonna consider a century nitro, go Raven. Not to much more money and lots of upgrades.
Just my thoughts...
sst
05-09-2008 12:17 AM
 
 
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