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Engines Plugs Mufflers Fuel > heehee hee YOU better do something OS !!!
 
 
the Wasp
rrProfessor
Location: Vt

MX is right, that's why these guys did the Coke Can mod, but all that is needed is enough preload to stop the balls from floating so they wont skid,, so if only .002 of a shim is needed you don't want to go to .010,,

I do know the Hyper 50 I just rebuilt turned very easy, I'm thinking if theis bearing doesn't last very long I will buy one of these $37 SKF bearings just to see what happens..

Jim
the wife wont let me get a Monkey !!,,, damm, can't have anything
05-11-2008 02:50 AM
 
 
tcast305
Senior Heliman
Location: Miami, FL USA

YS & OS 50's same issue

I own 3 os 50 hyper engines, and 2 ys 50st engines.

All 3 os 50 motors had issues with the rear bearing going out. One, took a while to go out, about 15 gallons. The other took only 2 gallons, and the 3rd about 8 gallons. I've sent them back and os has done a good job of replacing the bearings under warranty. And on 2 of the motors and I had to send them back twice because of the bearing lasting about 8 gallons or so.

I then decided to try a YS 50st in one of my 600n as I haven't heard of many bearing issues. Well it only lasted a 1 1/2 gallons before it sound very bad, and this was within 2 days of use. I purchased another one while I sent bad one back, and the new one lasted about 8 gallons (just over a month). I'm currently back to the bad one I sent back which YS replaced the bearing under warranty. I'll report back how long it lasts.

I fly alot during the week and weekend (about 2+ gallons a week), and the heli's are kept indoors (a/c) so rust is not an issue. I pulled bearings out of the motors, and its always the same, the races are pitted up, no rust.

One thing I didn't like is the fact that YS 50st motors use metal caged bearings, so if one of the cages break, it will do alot of damage inside the motor.

So YS suffer from bearing issues as OS. I think the reason you don't hear about it is there are many more OS 50 hyper motors than YS out there.

I agree with everyone that bearing issues on 50 size motors suck. I'm become and expert on swapping motors in no time now cuz of bearing issues, and have backup motors ready cuz of it.

Thanks.
05-11-2008 03:09 AM
 
 
Rymps
Senior Heliman
Location: Windsor CO

Thansk to tcast305 for being honest and proving my point about YS and soon the Red line by TT to have bearing problems also.
05-11-2008 04:48 AM
 
 
tcast305
Senior Heliman
Location: Miami, FL USA

Rymps,

No problem. I thought YS was the solution, with the bearing issue. I was wrong.

Now don't get me wrong, I like the YS because the flight is consistant from beginning to end, because of the pressurized crankcase system, and I get to run a fuel magnet without issue. Also it seemed to recover quicker than the OS after bogging it.

But power is about the same.

Thanks.
05-11-2008 05:08 AM
 
 
Pull-n-Pitch
Senior Heliman
Location: Mt. Dora, Florida (USA)

Well, that covers the YS and OS bearing issue!
HOW long till we start reading about the TT53 "self destructing" in flight due to a bearing failure? I will be patient and wait! The TT53 is not the "cure all" to OS or YS, period.

It's just my two cents (opinion),Gotta go I'm flying in the morning!
Pull-n-Pitch
05-11-2008 05:24 AM
 
 
Rymps
Senior Heliman
Location: Windsor CO

I think it will be 3-10 gal. Acording to the last posts.

tcast305 I am going to try a YS for the same reason as you like them. I broke a case in my OS 50 Hyper last week and it took out the piston and ring and sleeve. So one of my Trex 600ns will have an OS 50 Hyper and the other will have a YS 50ST. I would get a TT Redline, but after the TT engines i have had in the past i think not.
05-11-2008 06:08 AM
 
 
tcast305
Senior Heliman
Location: Miami, FL USA

Rymps,

A buddy of mine, has the redline. I was ok in flight nothing out of this world, also it had issues that day running hot.

I didn't pick the TT redline, because I was told it runs better with the mp5 pipe, and I didn't want to buy a pipe to get the must out of an engine.

Here is a vid when I was on vacation in Dominican Republic (yes I took my heli with me ). www.rchelivideo.com/600n-vbar-dr-santo-domingo.wmv It's not my best flight, (ie vacation, drinking night before), and I'm still learning, but its an example of the YS in flight. Ohh, thats my 600n flybarless setup (mikado vbar) and the YS which the bearing just died after 8 gallons.

The guys there are very friendly, its my 2nd time at the field, its a very nice field they have there.

Thanks.
05-11-2008 06:29 AM
 
 
Divot
Veteran
Location: Mesa, AZ

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I think it will be 3-10 gal. Acording to the last posts.

You sure have an opion about a motor you do not own.
Sure you have had TT engines in the past but how many had
bearing problem...I bet ZERO
05-11-2008 06:47 AM
 
 
DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

You wont be able to compare the TT53 with the YS and OS bearing issues because there wont be enough TT engines sold to get a comparison.TT has a bad reputation with their engines,probably why the TT team pilots and reps didnt even use them.
05-11-2008 11:51 AM
 
 
LONEWOLF2440
Heliman
Location: MYRTLE BEACH S.C

Im done with os. 2 motors both with less than 2 gallons taking a dump.How can u say os is proven? I bought a redline 53 and love it. More power and has never once stalled on me
05-11-2008 01:33 PM
 
 
Wa11banger
Elite Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Al

I have wore out plenty of bearings in my hypers, most of them due to age. I have an observation as to why the hyper can be a bearing eater just from what I and about 20 others have experienced with tinkering around with all the different brands.. Several have touched on it in here but not given a good observation to support it.

Lean Runs! simple as that in my mind. Now mind you I have no experience with the redline but between YS 50 and Hyper 50 and a regular OS 50H..

They hyper is way more tolerant of being run lean. The engine does not drop off the power band as easy when run lean, you have to be extremely lean to get the "cackle" noise out of it, and it also has to be extremely lean to hang on the pipe when you pull throttle hold. Remembering some of the posts, many people that complained about bearing issues also later posted a crusty or fried piston etc.

They YS engine is a click or two and lean is too lean they fall off the power band, cackle to give a good indication they are lean and hang on the pipe when you pull the hold switch when lean. All solid indicators you are baking them so people back off.

I beleive most failures from rear bearings are from people who are trying to squeeze everything they can out of an engine and not really understanding what lean is and/or they do not inspect thier engines from time to time to see how it is running.

I have a slew of Hypers, all shiny pistons, all many many many gallons old. Only two bearings replaced prematurely. Let's not go into my YS91's and rear bearings though that is a whole nother story and I think it was they bearings I was using and not the engines fault.

Knowing TT engines from the past, very hard to tune, lacking of power, had to tinker all the time and damn dont change fuel. TT will have a hard time overcoming this I hope the Redline is much better than the past.

Rick

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, and K&B Dream Designs Teams
05-11-2008 02:07 PM
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DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

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They hyper is way more tolerant of being run lean. The engine does not drop off the power band as easy when run lean, you have to be extremely lean to get the "cackle" noise out of it, and it also has to be extremely lean to hang on the pipe when you pull throttle hold. Remembering some of the posts, many people that complained about bearing issues also later posted a crusty or fried piston etc.

The port timing on the OS is more suited to lower rpm and more torque,this is probably why it doesn't drop off the power band as easy as the YS.The YS has higher port timing and s more suited to higher rpm,and the needle valve is very sensitive and can be run too lean easily. I agree that the lean runs and high rpm are whats killing the bearings. I have given up on the ceramic bearings,i just rebuilt an OS hyper with new piston,ring and ceramic bearings and was running it rich and it started to rattle a little bit after 4 or 5 tanks of fuel.When i pulled the rear bearing out one balls had a chunk gone,all the other balls were fine.These were the RC-bearings ceramic with SS races,i havn't used the Boca ceramic bearings in a while but i'm just going to use steel bearings and change them at the first sign of noise. I am helping a guy at the field with a TT 53 with a MP 5 and so far it doesn't have anymore power than the other 50's,it also had the carb sticking issue which required push-pull linkage to correct.
05-11-2008 02:18 PM
 
 
Wa11banger
Elite Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Al

Yah I have also given up on the ceramics and RC bearings. That was my YS 91 problems

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, and K&B Dream Designs Teams
05-11-2008 02:24 PM
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Dilbeck
Veteran
Location: Springdale Arkansas

I wonder from all the reports of hyper bearing failures if its due to running 30% nitro. Somethings got to give! All engines are designed to run on a certain level of nitro to optimize power and long life. Anything more or less constitutes damage. Its no wonder my OS 50 Hyper runs smoother/cooler and idles better on 22%. I feel no difference in power on 30%. I think were asking to much of the engine by what was stated earlier on burning 30%.

If it doesn't fly sell it!
05-11-2008 02:47 PM
 
 
DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

Yes 30% fuel is not helping the bearings,anytime you increase HP you have more stress on the bearings. I used to race RC boats using 65% nitro but we used 20% oil,10% castor and 10% synthetic oil in the fuel.If we tried to use less than 10% castor we had bearing failures.We were turnig 90 size engines 24,000 rpm,and 40 size engines 30,000 rpm.
05-11-2008 03:03 PM
 
 
pgoelz
Senior Heliman
Location: Rochester MI

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I am helping a guy at the field with a TT 53 with a MP 5 and so far it doesn't have anymore power than the other 50's,it also had the carb sticking issue which required push-pull linkage to correct.
See THIS POST. Any chance this is the sticking problem? The worn area had slightly raised edges, causing the barell to stick in the carb..... that is how I noticed there was a problem. Then I noticed the barell moved in and out excessively. Note that the way the groove is worn, the barell can move IN, leaning the mixture.

Paul

Paul Goelz
Rochester MI USA
http://www.pgoelz.com
05-11-2008 04:28 PM
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DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

His was brand new when the barrel was sticking,made for a few anxious moments when it wouldn't go back to idle with a full tank of fuel and not enough headspeed to hover it. stuck some long broom handles through the skids to hold it down,then mashed the rubber ex deflector flat to kill the engine with another long handle. It wouldn;t stick when it was cold,just when it warmed up good.
05-11-2008 04:46 PM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

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I wonder from all the reports of hyper bearing failures if its due to running 30% nitro.

No, mine die running 15% Sig Champion heli fuel. Nitro content is not the cause.

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05-11-2008 06:21 PM
 
 
tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

Maybe it has to do more with the quality and other junk put in the fuel rather than the nitro content itself. Like I said, I'm using pharmaceutical grade components and nothing to spike the fuel and I have yet to kill a bearing in 3 years on any of my engines.

Tony


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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."
05-11-2008 06:29 PM
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captb
Senior Heliman
Location: Arizona Desert

I noticed the same with nitro boats like MR10X said, I hated running castor oil but it was easier on bearings,I went thru 100s of bearings in 40/65/90 OPS and Picco engines and they were flushed with brakleen and oiled after being run. Boats and Heli's have a common problem and maybe the main factor........Vibration.

If it's gonna happen it'll happen up there!
05-12-2008 02:08 AM
 
 
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