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the Wasp
rrProfessor
Location: Vt

hey OS,,, YOU better do something soon !!!

heehee hee

YOU are loosing sales to Thunder Tiger !!!

heehee hee

people are sick of their OS rear bearings going bad !!!

heehee hee and the new TT 53 looks much better than the older TT engines did !!!

heehee hee YOU will loose more and more to TT as time goes on !!!

heehee hee YOU better do something OS !!!

Jim
the wife wont let me get a Monkey !!,,, damm, can't have anything
05-08-2008 05:03 AM
 
 
Divot
Veteran
Location: Mesa, AZ

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heehee hee

Homer Simpson approves of the TT53 Redline.

I so want to try this engine....if I only had the D'OH!!!
05-08-2008 05:44 AM
 
 
StillTryin
Senior Heliman
Location: Perth, Western Australia

Careful Mr Wasp, the TT Redline 53 hasn't been around long. With regard to rear bearing longevity, you may yet prove to have premature ejaculation
05-08-2008 07:10 AM
 
 
Rymps
Senior Heliman
Location: Windsor CO

Like what was said. "It has not been proven." And as far as Tunder Tiger engines go, I learned my lesson from past TT engines and won't be using them any time soon. We shall see what the future holds and i hope it is for the better.
05-08-2008 07:42 AM
 
 
the Wasp
rrProfessor
Location: Vt

hey, all I'm saying is OS better watch out

Jim
the wife wont let me get a Monkey !!,,, damm, can't have anything
05-08-2008 08:19 AM
 
 
StillTryin
Senior Heliman
Location: Perth, Western Australia

Unlike Rymps, my experiences with Thunder Tiger over many years have been nothing but good. Yes, OS do indeed need to watch out
05-08-2008 08:35 AM
 
 
RadioFlyerMk
Senior Heliman
Location: Trenton, Ohio,

Well, I agree OS needs to do something. I would love to buy another engine from them, but the fact of the matter is, I am sick of the bearing issue. So much that in fact, I just ordered two TT redlines. I never liked TT airplane engines and I never seen a good TT heli engine, before the redline. I was very impressed with what I saw in my friends Redline, and that sold me. I know it is still new, but I am willing to take a chance rather than deal with a well known issue.
I will be very critical though because I go to the field to fly, not work on engines. Oh and then there is the 3 yr warranty, another nice touch, not to mention, it is a nice lookin' engine.
I like how the carb bolts on, the head, etc.

TT redline is not yet proven. Very true. But, lots of people thought the same thing when spektrum first came out. But everyone is flocking there now, even me, which I didn't think that would happen either.

Too bad the hyper 50 isn't as reliable as the 32 was/is, because that is what I would have stuck with.

All in all though, I just wish everyone the best with whatever engine they decide to use.

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"I'd rather hover a Heli......than fly a plane"
05-08-2008 09:11 AM
 
 
Rymps
Senior Heliman
Location: Windsor CO

Here is a good thread.

http://runryder.com/helicopter/t430264p1/

Looks like people are starting to have problems.
05-09-2008 07:15 PM
 
 
tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

Hmmmm

You mean there are other engines out there besides the YS series?

whats next? an engine with a red or blue head?



No thx, color anodized engines are for pussies




Tony


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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."
05-09-2008 07:32 PM
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tommy_b_o_y1
Heliman
Location: knoxville, tn

Quote 
Here is a good thread.
http://runryder.com/helicopter/t430264p1/
Looks like people are starting to have problems.

that sounded more like user error than inherent defect...of course, you can never be certain which...until SEVERAL people chime in with same defect
05-09-2008 08:11 PM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

Let me guess.

Your previous posts insist that OS is buying "second rate" bearings and this is the root cause of the OS 50 bearing failure.

Now this post indicates that you have intimate, personal knowledge that the Thunder Tiger folk use ONLY the best quality bearings available, and will never fall prey to buying up lots of other "second rate", "unbranded", and "unmarked" bearings, and therefore the TT53 Redline will never suffer rear bearing failures.

But you still have yet to acknowledge that very few of the OTHER OS engines, all presumably having similar quality "second rate" bearings installed (after all, OS would not target just the 50 SX-H/50 SX-Hyper with the bad bearings)experience rear bearing failure at similar rates as the 50.

You also fail to explain why numerous, third party bearings of all different "qualities" also seem to fail in the OS 50 with about the same frequency.

Perhaps you should offer your bearing expertise to the folks at OS engines, they might need someone in their shop who can engineer and design motors that people will buy.

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* Making the World a Better Place -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Dave
05-10-2008 03:13 AM
 
 
tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

Oh I have the magic cure for the bearings.

Stop stuffing them with 30% nitro and running them at 19500 rpm. I bet your bearings will last

I don't get it. A normal car is expected to do at least 100K miles just as we accept the simple fact that racing engines like the ones used in Europe's DTM only last 2 races tops before being retired and yet we complain that our "racing" Hyper kills its bearings much sooner than a "normal" OS46...

I tell you why there are less YS failing bearings... its because most people that have them got them because they are tinkers thus treating the engines better than the average joe does. If the YS were as widespread and as abused as the Hyper, I'm sure bearings would start to fail at the same rate.

Tony


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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."
05-10-2008 03:24 AM
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DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: JAX,FLORIDA

Yea OS better watch out or TT will be in second place instead of them.

JRYSOSXLEVO600VIBEAURORAMAN
05-10-2008 03:41 AM
 
 
DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: JAX,FLORIDA

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Perhaps you should offer your bearing expertise to the folks at OS engines, they might need someone in their shop who can engineer and design motors that people will buy.

They especially need someone in the 90 shop,they have yet to produce a good 90 size engine after 4 versions. yes i know they run very good afer you throw another $300 at them.

JRYSOSXLEVO600VIBEAURORAMAN
05-10-2008 03:45 AM
 
 
Rymps
Senior Heliman
Location: Windsor CO

[quote]I tell you why there are less YS failing bearings... its because most people that have them got them because they are tinkers thus treating the engines better than the average joe does. If the YS were as widespread and as abused as the Hyper, I'm sure bearings would start to fail at the same rate.

The reason you don't hear that much about YS bearings is there are not that many out yet like OS engines. dkshema is right on about about the 30% fuel and how fast we spin these motors. I bet if you looked at how many OS engines VS YS and TT engines you would see that OS sold a lot more. YS engines are still just a couple of years old. OS engines have been out for 5+ years.

People just won't replace there 50 size motor unless some thing major was wrong with it. Bearings are cheap and you can get it back running again in very little time and cost.

My problem with TT engines has always been with the carb and needle settings. I have yet to see one run like an OS or YS. And yes i know many of people who have had them and dumped them for and OS or YS.
05-10-2008 03:47 AM
 
 
Divot
Veteran
Location: Mesa, AZ

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Stop stuffing them with 30% nitro and running them at 19500 rpm. I bet your bearings will last

I bet they will not

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tell you why there are less YS failing bearings... its because most people that have them got them because they are tinkers thus treating the engines better than the average joe does

Not true

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Yea OS better watch out or TT will be in second place instead of them.

You are quite possibly the biggest idiot on RR
05-10-2008 04:37 AM
 
 
StillTryin
Senior Heliman
Location: Perth, Western Australia

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You are quite possibly the biggest idiot on RR
You must have been reading some of his posts about Raptors
05-10-2008 04:44 AM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

A little surfing around the web led me to this site that deals with ball bearings, failure modes, wear-pattern recognition, and a whole host of technical information about preloading, not preloading....

http://www.gobearings.com/technical.htm

It's good reading, and may go a long way toward dispelling a lot of the guess, conjecture, and just plain BS that's been going on with regard to bearing failures in the OS 50.

FWIW, the bearings that I've removed from my OS 50's exhibit similar failure patterns, not random failure patterns. The failure mode shows the pattern shown in these pictures:



Note that the failure in the outer race is local -- it does NOT continue uniformly around the circumference. The damage to the outer race happens to be at the portion of the bearing that is found at the bottom of the crankcase, the center of the bad area would be at the 6 o'clock position , and extends between about the 5 to 7 o'clock positions.

The inner race shows uniform damage around its circumference.

The damage to the outer race indicates that the outer race, which is fixed in position and doesn't rotate, is the result of a repetitive radial load. The area of greatest damage is directly opposite the center of the cylinder head and indicates that the radial load is being presented to the bearing in a direction parallel to the vertical centerline of the cylinder. This would be consistent with the bearing seeing a heavier than expected load, most probably the result of the shock of the combustion process being transmitted from piston, through the con rod, to the crank, with the piston + or - a few degrees of top dead center. That would indicate that the heaviest radial load on the bearing is the result of absorbing the shock of combustion, the beginning of the power stroke of the motor.

The damage doesn't show up on the remainder of the outer race, the race appears undamaged from about the 7 o'clock position around to the 5 o'clock position.

Damage on the inner race is full circle and uniform. This is consistent with the fact that the inner race ist turning constantly and the balls in their cage are also moving around as the crank turns.

The actual failure mode is that the metal outer race is flaking off. Looking at the race under a stereo microscope looks like looking at a bowl of tiny cornflakes. The bits of recovered metal also resemble small cornflakes.

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It would appear that the failure mode is what this particular web site refers to as "fatigue flaking of the rolling sufaces".

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Nevertheless, all bearings have a finite life under use and will eventually fail to perform satisfactorily due to an increase in noise and vibration, loss of running accuracy, deterioration of lubricant, or fatigue flaking of the rolling surfaces. Such failure modes are considered "normal" and can be predicted using standardized techniques.

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* Making the World a Better Place -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Dave
05-10-2008 05:31 AM
 
 
dkshema
rrProfessor
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA

This is another good link describing bearing failure modes. It's actually referenced in the first link I posted...

http://www.vibanalysis.co.uk/technical/contents.html

From the above link:

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How is bearing life defined?

Generally, a rolling bearing cannot rotate for ever. Unless operating conditions are ideal and the fatigue load limit is not reached, sooner or later material fatigue will occur. The period until the first sign of fatigue appears is a function of the number of revolutions performed by the bearing and the magnitude of the load.

Fatigue is the result of shear stresses cyclically appearing immediately below the load carrying surface. After a time these stresses cause cracks which gradually extend up to the surface. As the rolling elements pass over the cracks fragments of material break away and this is known as flaking or spalling. The flaking progressively increases in extent (figs 1 to 4) and eventually makes the bearing unserviceable.

The life of a rolling bearing is defined as the number of revolutions the bearing can perform before incipient flaking occurs. This does not mean to say that the bearing cannot be used after then. Flaking is a relatively long, drawn-out process and makes its presence known by increasing noise and vibration levels in the bearing. Therefore, as a rule, there is plenty of time to prepare for a change of bearing.

The section in blue describes exactly what my OS 50 bearings look like when they die, and also reinforces the idea that the area of damage is "immediately below the load carrying surface".

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* Making the World a Better Place -- One Helicopter at a time! *

Dave
05-10-2008 05:44 AM
 
 
Divot
Veteran
Location: Mesa, AZ

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You must have been reading some of his posts about Raptors

Yes, along with his endless crap about nothing.

A complete r-tard.
05-10-2008 06:01 AM
 
 
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