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Inspector Fuzz
Veteran
Location: My own private Idaho.

The 13th Amendment to the constitution is as follows:"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

I submit that, on the whole our criminal justice system is a miserable failure. I base this on the fact that we have the largest number and highest number (percentage wise, of the whole) of incarcerated persons in the world.
Still further, I submit that this is due to a lack of sufficient punative detterent.
To this effect, I propose that any one sentenced to death or life without parole or even regular life, ought to be sold to a corporation, as a slave, treated humanely, provided that they freely work a 50 hour work week with one day off per week. Food, housing, and very basic medical care being the only requirements.
Your approval or disapproval, in the form of a coherent argument, would be gladly accepted.
Remember it IS legal under the constitution.
JEFF

Argue for your limitations and sure enough, they're yours

05-07-2008 06:51 AM

quattrokid73
Veteran
Location: Huntingdon Valley, PA, USA

I always wished that instead of wasting away in prison, convicts should be sentenced to manual labor. Think about how many public projects could be accomplished if this labor was harnessed? I wouldn't trust them to construct schools or playgrounds, but irrigation, agriculture, and other such projects might make great use of this type of labor.

People sentenced for heinous crimes that are uncontrollably dangerous should be the ones living it up in solitary confinement, deprived of human contact and dignity. That's something no one wants to live.

Certainly anyone convicted for fraud should be forced to work off their debt.

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05-07-2008 08:26 AM

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Camp
Senior Heliman
Location: Easton, PA

Isn't that kinda what outsourcing already does?

Lost my job to India, would hate to loose it to a convicted slave.

05-07-2008 03:04 PM

dick smith
Senior Heliman
Location: perth

Sounds like a lot of work to me.Better off just shootin them..........

05-07-2008 03:19 PM

Texas1
Heliman
Location: Tyler, Texas

Basically this was the system in the Texas Prison system. They were supported by convict labor. But a wonderful Texas Chief Justice said it was not right. They should be paid a wage and not compete against civil commercial enterprises that offer the same services. They also policed themself.

05-07-2008 06:39 PM

electriciancarl
Veteran
Location: Mesa, Az.

The Sheriff around here uses "chain gangs".

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwes...hain.gang.reut/

05-07-2008 09:48 PM

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Pistol_Pete
Elite Veteran
Location: Tampa Bay non-Buccaneer

The 13th Amendment to the constitution is as follows:"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

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I submit that, on the whole our criminal justice system is a miserable failure.

if it was a failure the following sentence contradicts it...

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I base this on the fact that we have the largest number and highest number (percentage wise, of the whole) of incarcerated persons in the world.

now...if you were to say that sometimes the punishments given do not match the crime...then we have something.

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Still further, I submit that this is due to a lack of sufficient punative detterent.

exactly where i was going...so we kind of agree here so far.

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To this effect, I propose that any one sentenced to death or life without parole or even regular life, ought to be sold to a corporation, as a slave, .

exactly where it the legal part?

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treated humanely, provided that they freely work a 50 hour work week with one day off per week. Food, housing, and very basic medical care being the only requirements.

so if they dont want to we will "wip'em" until they submit...or somethint like that?

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Your approval or disapproval, in the form of a coherent argument, would be gladly accepted.

It has potential but needs working. I'm all for chain gangs cleaning the side of the roads or even picking the fields...that ought to kill two birds at once...right?

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Remember it IS legal under the constitution.

not the way you proposed it...nice try!

<><>...the lunatic is in my head...<><>

05-07-2008 10:14 PM

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the Wasp
rrProfessor
Location: Vt

I agree Jeff,,

I have always felt if someone brakes the law and they are found guilty then it should be mandatory for the convicted to pay an Arrest Fee, Court Fees, Prosecutor's Fee, food and incarceration/housing,, does he need to see a Dr, then he should be made to pay his Dr bill,,

the Arrest Fee would pay for the Cop's time, and so goes for the Prosecutor's Fee, I mean if a person brakes the law why should the tax payer be made pay for all that stuff !!

put the Law-Braker to work and make him pay his way !!!!!

Jim
the wife wont let me get a Monkey !!,,, damm, can't have anything

05-07-2008 10:15 PM

Dilbeck
Veteran
Location: Springdale Arkansas

Yea, Pay his way, Pay his way.

If it doesn't fly sell it!

05-07-2008 10:45 PM

Jerc 77
Heliman
Location: Honolulu

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The Sheriff around here uses "chain gangs".

He may get a 60% return, but that is still less than the national average. I would also like to see a study on youth criminal activity. I hope that seeing those chain gangs helps deter kids from acting stupid. I personally love the ideas that Sheriff Joe has. He took away everything unnecessary for survival. The only thing he left is the t.v. That only has two channels: CNN and the Weather Channel, so "they can see who their new roomates are going to be, and so they can see how hot it's going to be tomorrow." As far as the tent city goes he says that they are military surplus. They have no a/c because "this is how our folks in Iraq live, and they didn't commit any crimes." He also has a "Vacancy" sign at the tent city gate because there is always room for another tent.
Too bad more public figures were less p.c. and more like Joe!

"Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything about it." - Mark Twain

05-08-2008 12:03 AM

Leif
Elite Veteran
Location: Oxford, PA - USA

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nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted

That pretty much makes most of the US marriages illegal.

Leif

05-08-2008 12:12 AM

Inspector Fuzz
Veteran
Location: My own private Idaho.

@Pistol Pete

"Do we whip them until they work?"

Nope. We deprive them of food and water unless they work. If they die, it is there choice. Keep working, keep getting food and water.
Simple, cheap, effective and not violent.
JEFF

Argue for your limitations and sure enough, they're yours

05-08-2008 03:07 AM

KennyS
Veteran
Location: Marble Falls, Tx

Just a short story.

I had an employee that worked as a technician for me the better part of 10 years. I have known this man for many years and for some time we were very good friends in and out of the work place.

At some point time he decided that he was working to hard and needed some chemical substitution in place of sleep. Long story short, on his way back from a job he passed out traveling about 50 mph in a 1 ton truck, he struck a bicyclist from behind and killed a 54 year old man instantly. It took the police department almost 24 hours before notifying us. Almost 12 months later the insurance company paid off the victims family.

Almost two years later he was finally convicted of man slaughter by the State of Texas and is now serving a 6 year sentence in a prison in Texas. What pisses me off is he will more then likely be out in two years for good behavior.

I am positive he is sorry for what he has done but that just does not cut it in my book.

Your Right: The punishments given do not match the crime!

For the most part our legal system sucks and the innocent pay for it.

Kenny

05-08-2008 03:30 AM

1stPlace
Senior Heliman
Location: Ohio USA

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The Sheriff around here uses "chain gangs".

In Ohio, prisoners are used to clean up the garbage along our highways. The low risk inmates are not chained together, just watched by armed guards. The high risk inmates are chained together with more guards present. In Pickaway, the inmates work in a slaughterhouse! They are handed deadly weapons everyday, yet they do their jobs and go back to their cells at night. There have been very few problems in this system. In London Ohio, they have a 2800 acre prison farm which is nearly self sustaining!

Prisoners should absolutely be forced to work off their debts to society, PERIOD!

Prison Slaughterhouse

London Prison Farm

Hat man dir mal ins Gehirn geschissen und vergessen umzuruhren?

05-08-2008 01:51 PM

umdpru
Key Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

Camp,

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Isn't that kinda what outsourcing already does? Lost my job to India, would hate to loose it to a convicted slave.

Inspector is referring here to hard manual labor, not IT administration

In my opinion, convicts have too much energy. That's why they are always seeking violence. If they are too tired to fight then will they?

05-08-2008 03:14 PM

Inspector Fuzz
Veteran
Location: My own private Idaho.

@umdpru

Yes, hard manual labor. This is what I am talking about.
During rainy periods in the winter I spend a lot of my spare time clearing cedar trees and under brush, by myself, from my property here in TX.
After a day of cutting, dragging, and burning brush I am literally too exhausted, even for sex. Knowing that I would have to wake up and do that 5-6 days a week, especially in summer, for free, would be a living a hell I would not want to face.
Much worse IMO, than sitting in a climate controlled room watching cable TV with my buddies.
JEFF

Argue for your limitations and sure enough, they're yours

05-08-2008 05:28 PM

umdpru
Key Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

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Much worse IMO, than sitting in a climate controlled room watching cable TV with my buddies.

Unarguably much worse but better yet, more productive personally and for society!

05-08-2008 05:30 PM

Pistol_Pete
Elite Veteran
Location: Tampa Bay non-Buccaneer

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@Pistol Pete "Do we whip them until they work?" Nope. We deprive them of food and water unless they work. If they die, it is there choice. Keep working, keep getting food and water. Simple, cheap, effective and not violent. JEFF

they WILL die if you deprive them of food and water...its not an IF situation.

solitary confinement in a small soundproof, pitch black room will make any man a willing worker.

I do agree hard labor is in order which should also apply to so called white collar "prisoners".

<><>...the lunatic is in my head...<><>

05-08-2008 07:43 PM

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umdpru
Key Veteran
Location: Massachusetts

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I do agree hard labor is in order which should also apply to so called white collar "prisoners".

I don't think the OP distinguished between any type of prisoner...

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they WILL die if you deprive them of food and water...its not an IF situation.

Ah, but it is an IF situation! IF they choose to work, then they will be provided with food and water.

05-08-2008 09:38 PM

Inspector Fuzz
Veteran
Location: My own private Idaho.

White collar crime..

Oh, yeah. I would Love to have seen Ken Lay, Charles Keating, Ivan Bodsky, etc. swinging a pick axe in the hot, hot sun. It would have been the first real work they ever did in their lives.
JEFF

Argue for your limitations and sure enough, they're yours

05-09-2008 03:04 AM

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